Lets test this persistent universe and see if FD are true to their word.

I dont think NPC´s contribute in any way or form in these scenarios... Yet. It would be great if they did though (albeit possibly at a lower level of efficiency) so if all trading players retreat to SOLO at least the blockade has some meaning.

So, as it stands, the blockade in Khaka is eminently a PVP thing. We need to stop players delivering weapons in Khaka to slow down and hamper the Federal Community Goal there.

Yeah, that's what I thought but I bet that most of the traders will be in Solo or private group...
 
BTW you don't have to kill traders.

- Cargo scan them leaving a port with weapons
- If they have weapons then interdict them
- Threaten them to drop all their weapons
- If they don't shoot hatch, fire limpets
- Worse case scenario kill them

Always give them a chance to submit. I personally think we'd be better plugging away at spear again. Form up wings and take control of CZ from feds in open or grind away in solo/group.

Doing it in open is better as there are less true feds. More chance of players switching to CSG if they see being a Fed in a cz is a death sentence.
 

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BTW you don't have to kill traders.

- Cargo scan them leaving a port with weapons
- If they have weapons then interdict them
- Threaten them to drop all their weapons
- If they don't shoot hatch, fire limpets
- Worse case scenario kill them

Always give them a chance to submit. I personally think we'd be better plugging away at spear again. Form up wings and take control of CZ from feds in open or grind away in solo/group.

Doing it in open is better as there are less true feds. More chance of players switching to CSG if they see being a Fed in a cz is a death sentence.

I agree. Even if we did interdict a lot of traders, it would probably not be very effective. Working on the CZ should be more effective for winning
 
I agree.

I'm going to concentrate on the Spear of Lugh this evening.
I understand your arguments Orfeboy regarding the fact that they're effectively military convoys but my desire is to defend Lugh from the current onslaught rather than take the battle to them in other systems and leave Lugh's borders less defended.

Happy Hunting though!

No, you are choosing to line your pockets instead of winning the war. That same sort of thinking is what has lost this for the Feds. We are not greedy capitalist scum like them.

That combat goal is a battle for air superiority. The Federation have already won that. It has no further military value whatsoever.

We have a war to win and means personal sacifice. Those ships out there are supporting their war effort. they are not innocent traders. They have chosen to provide the Federation with the means to kill the citizens of the Lugh system.

Fact.
 
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No, you are choosing to line your pockets instead of winning the war. That same sort of thinking is what has lost this for the Feds. We are not greedy capitalist scum like them. We have a war to win and means personal sacifice. Those ships out there are supporting their war effort. they are not innocent traders. They have chosen to provide the Federation with the means to kill the citizens of the Lugh system.

Fact.
Calling your supporters capitalist scum is NOT going to help you to get them to listen to your orders. Even if we did interdict the fed traders once, after being interdicted they would just go into solo mode, without us being able to do anything against that.
Don't do the mistake that President Halsey did when ordering attacks on trading ships.

I just went to Khaka to see if there are any traders, couldn't find any
 
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In this the eleventh hour, what is of greatest importance is disrupting the Federation weapons train. They are NOT random civilians. We are NOT opening fire on refugee transports. We are to scan them to ensure they are carrying weapons, make them drop their cargo. We take it or destroy it. If they resist, destroy them. They are military convoys carrying weapons. If they go into solo so be it. This is war. It's time it was moved into the open.
 
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No, you are choosing to line your pockets instead of winning the war. That same sort of thinking is what has lost this for the Feds. We are not greedy capitalist scum like them.

That combat goal is a battle for air superiority. The Federation have already won that. It has no further military value whatsoever.

We have a war to win and means personal sacifice. Those ships out there are supporting their war effort. they are not innocent traders. They have chosen to provide the Federation with the means to kill the citizens of the Lugh system.

Fact.

Sorry, not true.

I have only ever really made money while serving Lugh when that last Community Goal finished. (i.e. practically by accident!)

I do not choose to defend Lugh from the feds already in the system to line my pockets, I choose to defend it because I have come to know and love the people who live there. Many of those I came to know have already died, many more will die if no-one remains to defend them.

The traders are, indeed, helping the enemy, which is why I am not saying you shouldn't be stopping them. What I am saying is that that is not a fight I will be able to assist in with a clean conscience.

And as our general, I'm sure you fully understand the risks inherent in fighting purely on one flank and leaving the others undefended... :)

(that, and my PC stutters to a halt if I try to fight a player rather than an NPC, so frankly I'm better off defending Lugh from the NPC hoards, otherwise I'd be there like a shot!)
 
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Calling your supporters capitalist scum is NOT going to help you to get them to listen to your orders. Even if we did interdict the fed traders once, after being interdicted they would just go into solo mode, without us being able to do anything against that.
Don't do the mistake that President Halsey did when ordering attacks on trading ships.

Why do you think we are winning this? All of our efforts have been co-ordinated. Playing on our strengths, guiding players to do what must be done. Last week popular opinion was that we were losing. They are not traders and this is not over. This is not the time for sitting on your hands and deciding it is time to cream off some spoils before the war is over.

What do you think the Feds are doing? Have you been watching the figures? Because I have. They made a fatal error and that was inspired by greed and lack of vision. They contiue to fail, even now. Do not make the same mistake. If you want to win then do as I ask. Everyone working together has been the only reason we have gotten this far.

That combat goal is now meaningless. Understand that. If you want to help then help.
 
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Here at the end, when the urgency and pressure are at their highest, now is when the cracks in that all-important unity begin to show.

Can you right the ship before any actual damage is done, or is this a sign of what's yet to come?

I wonder how many feds are watching with glee.
 
Calling your supporters capitalist scum is NOT going to help you to get them to listen to your orders. Even if we did interdict the fed traders once, after being interdicted they would just go into solo mode, without us being able to do anything against that.
Don't do the mistake that President Halsey did when ordering attacks on trading ships.

I just went to Khaka to see if there are any traders, couldn't find any

This is not the case here. The Federation is in trouble because of disorganisation. We are succeeding in our efforts because of order, structure, defined goals and unity. Sometimes this needs to be refreshed, we need to be reminded, the message hammered home again and again and again and again.
 
Here at the end, when the urgency and pressure are at their highest, now is when the cracks in that all-important unity begin to show.

Can you right the ship before any actual damage is done, or is this a sign of what's yet to come?

I wonder how many feds are watching with glee.

Very few I would think and less still when Hartsfield falls...
 
Here at the end, when the urgency and pressure are at their highest, now is when the cracks in that all-important unity begin to show.

Can you right the ship before any actual damage is done, or is this a sign of what's yet to come?

I wonder how many feds are watching with glee.

You misunderstand what is happening here. If there are no objections and discussions there is no resolution and no unity.
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
In this the eleventh hour, what is of greatest importance is disrupting the Federation weapons train. They are NOT random civilians. We are NOT opening fire on refugee transports. We are to scan them to ensure they are carrying weapons, make them drop their cargo. We take it or destroy it. If they resist, destroy them. They are military convoys carrying weapons. If they go into solo so be it. This is war. It's time it was moved into the open.


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Make no mistake. A blockade is not a gentlemen´s affair. Out there the fight is ugly and many a time you WONT have an opportunity to scan or ask nicely simply because there will be a number of patrolling Federal wings dropping fast into your wake to protect those traders.

Be prepared to take quick decisions on merchant´s life or death, either with or without cause. Because your own life will probably be at stake too.

The Tercio wings will behave as gentlemanly as circumstances permit but our pulse will not falter if we have to decide fast on an untimely death.

It will be long, it will be hard, and there can be no withdrawal.

CMDR Viajero, El Tercio

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Why do you think we are winning this? All of our efforts have been co-ordinated. Playing on our strengths, guiding players to do what must be done. Last week popular opinion was that we were losing. They are not traders and this is not over. This is not the time for sitting on your hands and deciding it is time to cream off some spoils before the war is over.

What do you think the Feds are doing? Have you been watching the figures? Because I have. They made a fatal error and that was inspired by greed and lack of vision. They contiue to fail, even now. Do not make the same mistake. If you want to win then do as I ask. Everyone working together has been the only reason we have gotten this far.

That combat goal is now meaningless. Understand that. If you want to help then help.

I'm saying that I don't believe that it's going to help. I don't see how it should, if you know why it would help, then please tell me.

He never called his supporters scum. Re-read please.

You are choosing money over the community. Do the right thing.

I'm not choosing money over community, re-read please. Actually, he said that Branddarm was only lining his pockets, and that we wouldn't do that, because we aren't capitalist scum. Indirectly that means, that if you don't do as he says, you are capitalist scum.
 
The pilots of Operation Arm Chop tried a blockade to prevent construction of the FNS Nevermore.

I think we can all guess how successful they were.
 
I'm saying that I don't believe that it's going to help. I don't see how it should, if you know why it would help, then please tell me.



I'm not choosing money over community, re-read please. Actually, he said that Branddarm was only lining his pockets, and that we wouldn't do that, because we aren't capitalist scum. Indirectly that means, that if you don't do as he says, you are capitalist scum.

Disrupting military convoys carrying weapons that will hamper our efforts is most definitely worthwhile.

The comment meant that disorganised behaviour is what has the federation where it is. The rest has been taken out of context.

Let us move on shall we?
 
I'm saying that I don't believe that it's going to help. I don't see how it should, if you know why it would help, then please tell me.



I'm not choosing money over community, re-read please. Actually, he said that Branddarm was only lining his pockets, and that we wouldn't do that, because we aren't capitalist scum. Indirectly that means, that if you don't do as he says, you are capitalist scum.

No it doesn't. What it means is that we have more dignity than to imitate our enemies for fear of becoming just like them.

We are bigger than that. Are we not?
 
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