Lets test this persistent universe and see if FD are true to their word.

[Brindarm]

Well, I interpret this quote from Michael :

Originally Posted by Michael Brookes
Stations don't hold shares. It's held on a per system basis. As influence moves relative to another faction then it could trigger an event, one of which being civil war. If the civil war is with a faction owning the station and they lose then ownership of the station is transferred to the winning faction.

If the station happens to be the controlling station for the system, then the winning faction becomes (or remains) the controlling faction for the system.

Michael

....as meaning that we can't focus our attack on a single station - I think that only effects the types of missions you're likely to get from that station. If stations don't hold shares of the overall influence, then we can work from any station in the system as long as we:
1. only do CSG missions (or betray other faction's missions)
2. only trade in markets in CSG owned stations
3. only use outfitting/shipyards in CSG owned stations

After some work an event will trigger. If it's a civil war, CSG must win it (although I'm still unclear is this is a physical warzone or just a period where we need to keep running the missions etc.) . If CSG wins then any stations being owned by the losing faction become CSGs. If CSG loses then the other faction get the CSG stations.

That would certainly explain what we've seen so far and I suspect we have to work quite a bit longer to get LFE into a civil war status...

Of course, I'm probably wrong!

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Hey, flying in now to Lugh.

As mentioned in the OP, take up faction missions, kill / pirate non-faction entities (including other players?), and generally try not to bite the dust?

Hi Hamalot, welcome to Lugh!

Yes, please only take Crimson State Group missions.
Also, only buy/sell goods in CSG stations.

Other than that, have fun! See you out there.

 

[Nightstorm]

The counter to that are the statements that influence is system-wide, and that it's influence passing certain conditions that triggers civil war in a (seemingly semi-random) station. That to me points towards us just keeping on building influence wherever we can get it. That is until there's a Conflict Zone, at which point we'll want to all pile in there...

 

[Kaspur]

I spent some time in Lugh pre-release and a bit after. Thinking of returning and helping the cause. What are the current plans/orders regarding missions and trading? Any specific missions to do or ignore?

 

[Brindarm]

I spent some time in Lugh pre-release and a bit after. Thinking of returning and helping the cause. What are the current plans/orders regarding missions and trading? Any specific missions to do or ignore?

Only take CSG missions
Only trade in CSG stations

Other than that, it looks like it shouldn't matter which stations you operate out of as influence is apparently system-wide, not station-by-station.
So it looks like it's quite straight forward - we just have to keep going until we get the right turn of events...

 

[Ironik]

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For me that's clearly the info, that our target station should be Hartsfield Market. It's the biggest station near a earth like planet. If we win this one, the system will be independent.

It's usually the biggest one

Outposts are far from the biggest stations. IMO, main stations are not related to where is the main planet as stated above. (Mars vs Earth)
Furthermore, agriculture < Industrial economy.

Anyway, I'm not sure if we're supposed to "select" which station we want to trigger civil war for. (From Michael's posts)
Or, maybe, there are some triggers related to station but disconnected from influence.

 

[Darkfyre99]

Only take CSG missions
Only trade in CSG stations

Other than that, it looks like it shouldn't matter which stations you operate out of as influence is apparently system-wide, not station-by-station.
So it looks like it's quite straight forward - we just have to keep going until we get the right turn of events...

In addition, you can also take Lugh for Equality missions, and then betray them at Unidentified Signal Sources. Just take the mission, fill the order if it's a fetch mission, then search USSs until you find someone who wants you to abandon that mission. This isn't a very fast nor very profitable alternative, plus you'll take a hit to your reputation with the Federation. On the other hand, if you take missions like "looking for rebel transmissions," you can increase your productivity since you'll be searching USSs anyways.

I also happen to think that its not enough to help CSG, you also have to actively hurt LFE. And its a lot of fun playing a double agent. But I wouldn't recommend this strategy if you're looking to get the most bang for your buck.

 

[Ironik]

Well, I interpret this quote from Michael :

....as meaning that we can't focus our attack on a single station - I think that only effects the types of missions you're likely to get from that station. If stations don't hold shares of the overall influence, then we can work from any station in the system as long as we:
1. only do CSG missions (or betray other faction's missions)
2. only trade in markets in CSG owned stations
3. only use outfitting/shipyards in CSG owned stations

After some work an event will trigger. If it's a civil war, CSG must win it (although I'm still unclear is this is a physical warzone or just a period where we need to keep running the missions etc.) . If CSG wins then any stations being owned by the losing faction become CSGs. If CSG loses then the other faction get the CSG stations.

That would certainly explain what we've seen so far and I suspect we have to work quite a bit longer to get LFE into a civil war status...

Of course, I'm probably wrong!

Actually I think you're spot on
But i'm probably wrong too

 

[drachenmaul]

Boom just went active:

 

[Ironik]

Yeah but we lost influence ?!!
Is the boom listed in the system view ?
Anything different ? ^^

I'm wondering about these pending states ... is it Boom Critical => Boom Or Boom => Boom Critical => Actual boom ?

EDIT: I've just seen the boom text in the Current State textbox

 

[orfeboy]

Boom just went active:
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This is exactly how I feared it would be. I have said this over and over with the lads on mumble. As soon as there is a bit of advertisement the would be heroes with nothing to do wander in and are either working for the feds or trying to help us but doing random trading and missions.

Guys if you are new here and want to help us you need to ask us and read the thread. At least read the whole original post first! We appreciate all the help you can give us but it has to be the right help otherwise it is counter productive.


We have been in this position before after the newsletter article. Do not let this happen again!

Lets go to work people!

 

[drachenmaul]

Yeah but we lost influence ?!!
Is the boom listed in the system view ?
Anything different ? ^^

I'm wondering about these pending states ... is it Boom Critical => Boom Or Boom => Boom Critical => Actual boom ?

EDIT: I've just seen the boom text next to the faction name

Says boom in system view too, not sure about changes.
Got quite a lot of mercenary missions on the board in knight dock and market prices differ about 100 credits from my last check

 

[orfeboy]

Well, I interpret this quote from Michael :

Originally Posted by Michael Brookes
Stations don't hold shares. It's held on a per system basis. As influence moves relative to another faction then it could trigger an event, one of which being civil war. If the civil war is with a faction owning the station and they lose then ownership of the station is transferred to the winning faction.

If the station happens to be the controlling station for the system, then the winning faction becomes (or remains) the controlling faction for the system.

Michael

....as meaning that we can't focus our attack on a single station - I think that only effects the types of missions you're likely to get from that station. If stations don't hold shares of the overall influence, then we can work from any station in the system as long as we:
1. only do CSG missions (or betray other faction's missions)
2. only trade in markets in CSG owned stations
3. only use outfitting/shipyards in CSG owned stations

After some work an event will trigger. If it's a civil war, CSG must win it (although I'm still unclear is this is a physical warzone or just a period where we need to keep running the missions etc.) . If CSG wins then any stations being owned by the losing faction become CSGs. If CSG loses then the other faction get the CSG stations.

That would certainly explain what we've seen so far and I suspect we have to work quite a bit longer to get LFE into a civil war status...

Of course, I'm probably wrong!

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Hi Hamalot, welcome to Lugh!

Yes, please only take Crimson State Group missions.
Also, only buy/sell goods in CSG stations.

Other than that, have fun! See you out there.

I think you are 99% right. The only part I would disagree with is that it does matter which missions we do. Currently there are missions to obtain mineral oil and aquaphonic systems for The Crimson State Group which seem to be reducing influence.

I am going to update the OP with instructions for newcomers as I think they may do us more harm than good.

 

[sirius42]

Yeah but we lost influence ?!!
Is the boom listed in the system view ?
Anything different ? ^^

I'm wondering about these pending states ... is it Boom Critical => Boom Or Boom => Boom Critical => Actual boom ?

EDIT: I've just seen the boom text in the Current State textbox

Yes we are loosing slowly influence since yesterday.

Crimson State Group 65.8%
Lugh for Equality 31.8%
Dominion of Lugh 0.3%
Lugh Defence Force 1.7%
Silver Natural 0.3%

This were the stats when i logged out between 1-2 am.

 

[orfeboy]

Yes we are loosing slowly influence since yesterday.

Crimson State Group 65.8%
Lugh for Equality 31.8%
Dominion of Lugh 0.3%
Lugh Defence Force 1.7%
Silver Natural 0.3%

This were the stats when i logged out between 1-2 am.

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I checked it before I left for work and we were at 66% so it must have rose again a little! Can anyone put up a current status?

 

[sirius42]

This is exactly how I feared it would be. I have said this over and over with the lads on mumble. As soon as there is a bit of advertisement the would be heroes with nothing to do wander in and are either working for the feds or trying to help us but doing random trading and missions.

Yes thats clear that it will get harder for us now since we went on GalNet.
But the problem might be also that most of us stopped trading high demand and supplies with CFG stations since the most of us swapped to Adamsons. And as we can do only missions there which doesnt count as much in influence as trading we heared we are loosing now ground against the big LFE stations.
In my opinion we should start taking over Cavendish or Hartsfield with some players still trading with CFG stations like Knight Dock. After we got one of this stations we should have enough economic power to take over to the other stations left in the system.

 

[orfeboy]

Yes thats clear that it will get harder for us now since we went on GalNet.
But the problem might be also that most of us stopped trading high demand and supplies with CFG stations since the most of us swapped to Adamsons. And as we can do only missions there which doesnt count as much in influence as trading we heared we are loosing now ground against the big LFE stations.
In my opinion we should start taking over Cavendish or Hartsfield with some players still trading with CFG stations like Knight Dock. After we got one of this stations we should have enough economic power to take over to the other stations left in the system.

Yes you might be right but actually I was wrong yesterday when I said Adamson had no commodity market. It actually does! I don't know who was trading out of there though or how much was done. I am going to put in some serious work tonight. Can we get an update anyone?

 

[_Flin_]

In my opinion we should start taking over Cavendish or Hartsfield with some players still trading with CFG stations like Knight Dock. After we got one of this stations we should have enough economic power to take over to the other stations left in the system.

Michael Brookes comments from yesterday did not sound as whether you can choose which station to take.

Furthermore, if you are currently concentrating on Adamson, you probably lower your effectiveness by about 20%, if only because the traveltime for the roundtrip is 2 minutes longer.

 

[orfeboy]

Michael Brookes comments from yesterday did not sound as whether you can choose which station to take.

Furthermore, if you are currently concentrating on Adamson, you probably lower your effectiveness by about 20%, if only because the traveltime for the roundtrip is 2 minutes longer.

Have we got you back on board now Flin? We need all the help we can get!

 

[sirius42]

I checked it before I left for work and we were at 66% so it must have rose again a little! Can anyone put up a current status?

No we are constantly loosing. Yesterday at around 3 pm we were at 66.7 %, when i logged out tonight between 1 and 2 pm it was at 66.5 % and now we are down to 65.8 % with geting LFE influence all the time again.
Only LDF lost 0.1 % since yesterday afternoom.

And if it is showing 66 % in your cockpit tab it might be rounded up.

 

[_Flin_]

Have we got you back on board now Flin? We need all the help we can get!

I am still allied with CSG ;-)

Currently playing with the Elitediplomats, which is a lot of fun (although it seems like we ended up in an influence-bugged system). That doesn't stop me from watching all the background simulation efforts, and especially Lugh, of course.

I think yesterday's revelations by Michael Brookes were rather game-changing for all efforts. But I'd leave it to you to draw the right conclusions. After all, you were the ones with the most success in influencing a system after all.

But currently I am not playing that much. So while I might throw in a post or two, I won't do a lot of flying, so I can't put in an more than an hour of hauling every now and then for the CSG.