Lets test this persistent universe and see if FD are true to their word.

[sirius42]

The only way to properly test the background sim is to have focused group efforts in one direction. If we all just do our own thing in Lugh, pulling in different directions, then we will never find out what can be achieved. Expansion should be tested elsewhere, with a group that is devoted to testing that mechanic and trying various strategies to cause expansion. Maybe some people who are working in Lugh could be persuaded to go join you, that's perfectly fair. And we can't stop you from doing your own thing in Lugh and working contrary to our group effort, other than by in-game means. Zap zap!

Maybe this thread should be moved and renamed, but it is the first and biggest player-driven background sim test, and keeping it in the main forum helps to attract people to it.

I completely agree !

And further this thread contains still a storyline build up on an experiment.

 

[Nova McCool]

My apologies, was kinda hot after my fight to keep 600k of trade. (Before I read form to stop trade)
After eagle attacked and I guess was able to re-attempt interdiction I re-shipped and looked for names. I hope we will have a better way to identify ships after changing instances.

Sorry m8

 

[_Flin_]

The only way to properly test the background sim is to have focused group efforts in one direction. If we all just do our own thing in Lugh, pulling in different directions, then we will never find out what can be achieved.

Sorry for being blunt:
At the moment you could stand on your head and wiggle your ears in Lugh, and you wouldn't turn the system.

As long as there is Boom active and civil war cooldown running, there won't be another civil war.
And if you get that Lockdown, there won't be a civil war, either.
And as long as LFE has Boom, there won't be a civil war with LFE - and you need that one for taking over - either.

So in the meantime I thought I'd ask some questions at the devs at a place where I might get them answered. (EDIT: You'd probably do more for the turning of the system if you did nothing at all in Lugh)

And don't be afraid, we do test the background simulation, all kinds of it, in a number of systems at this very moment. And follow the results of all other groups.

So what actually gets into the way of turning systems at the moment are cooldowns and "one faction, one state".
If this level of abstraction is too high, I am awfully sorry.
I will not use the word "Expansion" again, since it is apparently impossible to abstract from "Expansion" to "any state".

 

[SirFreddie]

On a lighter note...

When you nearly have enough credits to buy an asp and have a T6 full of Progenator cells, don't fly through Balandin Gateway doors without first having remembered to request docking permissions.

It's expensive.

On the plus side, I did managed to make it just outside the doors again before the station's single shot turned me to ash (probably in a Tom & Jerry style).

Oh, how the air turned blue!

Looks like I'll have to wait another couple of days to get my asp now!

Ooops! I saw you just the other day in your T6 entering Balandin Gateway (was going to hail you but figured you'd be docked before being able to respond). Just as you got in the box a Federal Dropship rose up from under you and tried to exit, I cringed, he clipped you, bounced backwards and appeared to disappear! You just sailed forward as if nothing happend

 

[Technaut]

My apologies, was kinda hot after my fight to keep 600k of trade. (Before I read form to stop trade)
After eagle attacked and I guess was able to re-attempt interdiction I re-shipped and looked for names. I hope we will have a better way to identify ships after changing instances.

Sorry m8

No problem, I actually seen him interdicting you and was curious as too what would happen if i flew in between both of you.

When he did successfully interdict you i jumped to knight dock and picked up and interdiction module and actually met you while i was leaving the dock.
I found him straight away when i entered frame shift and successfully interdicted him, I questioned his 200 bounty but he just tried to escape at which point he put power to 100% and launched chaff so i couldn't manage to kill him before he jumped. Looks like i will have to reattach non gimbled weapons again.

NP M8, i haven't been playing this past week due to waiting on a new gpu so i guess my name was new to you.

 

[sirius42]

Sorry for being blunt:
At the moment you could stand on your head and wiggle your ears in Lugh, and you wouldn't turn the system.

As long as there is Boom active and civil war cooldown running, there won't be another civil war.
And if you get that Lockdown, there won't be a civil war, either.
And as long as LFE has Boom, there won't be a civil war with LFE - and you need that one for taking over - either.

So in the meantime I thought I'd ask some questions at the devs at a place where I might get them answered. (EDIT: You'd probably do more for the turning of the system if you did nothing at all in Lugh)

And don't be afraid, we do test the background simulation, all kinds of it, in a number of systems at this very moment. And follow the results of all other groups.

So what actually gets into the way of turning systems at the moment are cooldowns and "one faction, one state".
If this level of abstraction is too high, I am awfully sorry.
I will not use the word "Expansion" again, since it is apparently impossible to abstract from "Expansion" to "any state".

You are true. We are completely stucked (locked down ) here in Lugh at the moment with the efforts to flip this system. From the mechanics we know about background simulation now it could last months to flip all the stations.

But point is that orfeboy dont wants to happen expansion in case of CSG (and lugh of course) and i respect his ideology as its also connected with his storyline he may spin further someday.

 

[orfeboy]

You are true. We are completely stucked (locked down ) here in Lugh at the moment with the efforts to flip this system. From the mechanics we know about background simulation now it could last months to flip all the stations.

But point is that orfeboy dont wants to happen expansion in case of CSG (and lugh of course) and i respect his ideology as its also connected with his storyline he may spin further someday.

Thanks for your support Sirius.

It may not take months however. If the next station to flip were the main station it would flip the system. How the game picks what station flips is an interesting mechanic. If the system were to pick staions of importance based upon levels of influence held by the opposing faction that might be a nice way for it to work if it does not do so already. For example, if there is overwhelming suport for a faction then it is likely that the capital (station) would be overthrown in a big rush to wipe out the current government. A bit like the French Revolution when they stormed the Bastile. Out with the old and in with the new! On the other hand if the difference is small it may be a more drawn out process with small bits falling one at a time.

 

[_Flin_]

It may not take months however. If the next station to flip were the main station it would flip the system.

Yep. Rather curious which station will be next.

But according to our current informations it will not be the controlling station.

Because:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97577&page=7&p=1522843&viewfull=1#post1522843

"you need win a civil war against the faction that owns the controlling station. You'd need to capture their lesser holdings first."

 

[Nightstorm]

From reading the Dukes thread and others, I think Flin's on the money here: there's going to be a cycle of flipping lesser stations and waiting for cooldowns (and other states to pass) before we can take on Hartsfield (given that's the controlling station). Orfeboy's plan of getting CSG influence into the 90's% makes sense but after that we may just need to wait (or go and do other things!) before reconvening for the civil war. And when civil war comes, will there be anything active to do? Do we just need to keep the influence high and then watch as each station flips in a civil war?

All these and more will be answered in the next... month or so.

 

[_Flin_]

in the next... months or so.

Fixed that for you.

EDIT: Sorry, but I am rather angry about the 26 days cooldown and "One Faction, One State" news.
It just feels like having put spokes in our wheels just because "some reason".

So no matter how many thousands of people try to work on achieving something in a system, it won't work because of those two reasons.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

Fixed that for you.

Is that Soon (tm)?

 

[_Flin_]

Is that Soon (tm)?

No, just changed "month" to "months".

Unless we get a significant state cooldown reduction pretty soon.

Otherwise we (as in: all the background simulation players) might as well just search for a set of systems, instead of one system, and do some faction and state and cooldown juggling to achieve anything. Take one station, hop to the next system, come back when cooldown is gone.

It's not like I want to play, I'd prefer to finish things, but if the game wants multitasking from us, well...
we will handle it. We already started and move from one system to another in a matter of days. Makes you feel like a Toddler half an hour before going to sleep, but well, what can you do.

 

[Nightstorm]

I wasn't saying it would be done in a month, just that we'll hopefully have worked out how it works in a month

I think I spotted Kerrash pondering whether there could be a roving band of players that go from place to place helping to move these systems on to the next stage.

 

[_Flin_]

I wasn't saying it would be done in a month, just that we'll hopefully have worked out how it works in a month

Well, we will find out exactly nothing without Michael or someone else from Frontier telling us.

Because if you do some back of the envelope calculations:
Start: 12/9/2014

Some Civil War that didn't stick...
Did CSG enter the cooldown then?

Hmmm... does the station switch by any means coincide with the stop of the first cooldown?
9+25 = 34, or 3/1/2015. Now where have I seen that date lately?

So has CSG in the end been in Civil War cooldown for 51 days? The first one not happening because bug. The second one not happening because whatever, but at least having results? Noone actually telling us about cooldown.

Now the third one not happening because "One faction, one state"... At least we know _that_ now.

Sorry, but I for my part do feel rather bulled at the moment.
After thinking long and hard about "how can we trigger civil war, how can we trigger civil war", writing hundreds of posts about it, messages, emails, talking on TS, whatever...
The answer is: "Well, actually you couldn't. But nice to have you with us".

 

[Daffan]

Fixed that for you.

EDIT: Sorry, but I am rather angry about the 26 days cooldown and "One Faction, One State" news.
It just feels like having put spokes in our wheels just because "some reason".

So no matter how many thousands of people try to work on achieving something in a system, it won't work because of those two reasons.

Artificial limits are junk.

 

[_Flin_]

Artificial limits are junk.

Yep. So are invisible cooldowns triggered by invisible events. But at least the Civil Wars aren't invisible anymore. And maybe we will get some more information in the UI about the cooldowns some day as well like:

Faction: Crimson State Group
State: None
Cooldown: Civil War, Civil Unrest, Boom

 

[orfeboy]

Well, we will find out exactly nothing without Michael or someone else from Frontier telling us.

Because if you do some back of the envelope calculations:
Start: 12/9/2014

Some Civil War that didn't stick...
Did CSG enter the cooldown then?

Hmmm... does the station switch by any means coincide with the stop of the first cooldown?
9+25 = 34, or 3/1/2015. Now where have I seen that date lately?

So has CSG in the end been in Civil War cooldown for 51 days? The first one not happening because bug. The second one not happening because whatever, but at least having results? Noone actually telling us about cooldown.

Now the third one not happening because "One faction, one state"... At least we know _that_ now.

Sorry, but I for my part do feel rather bulled at the moment.
After thinking long and hard about "how can we trigger civil war, how can we trigger civil war", writing hundreds of posts about it, messages, emails, talking on TS, whatever...
The answer is: "Well, actually you couldn't. But nice to have you with us".

Stop worrying so much. Michael said that they are going to look at cool down times etc. They are still perfecting their system and we are helping to show flaws and how they might make it better. We are helping them and they have been quite forcoming with info and feedback. I am not worried about this at all. I honestly believe we are helping to make things better. I am quite enjoying the process actually

 

[FU5E]

Hiho fellow Spacefarers,
I didn´t had much time to play over the last Days. Now i got a bit more and so i will rejoin our Fight for Lugh. In the last few Pages of this Thread, Voices coming up demanding more fighting and killing Pirates instead of doing Traderuns because of too much 'Boom'. Is this the desired Way how to play atm or shall i stay on Trademissions/ Basic Trade instead. I got a T7 and also an ASP, fitted for Battle. What to choose atm? I would be fine with any of both.

 

[_Flin_]

Stop worrying so much. Michael said that they are going to look at cool down times etc. They are still perfecting their system and we are helping to show flaws and how they might make it better. We are helping them and they have been quite forcoming with info and feedback. I am not worried about this at all. I honestly believe we are helping to make things better. I am quite enjoying the process actually

Yep. You are right.
I will relax. And be more positive.

After looking at how AEDC did 20% influence boost in the last two days after doing yet another system switch, I think all will work out well. Our future operations are already being re-tailored to take the latest mechanics revelations into account. Will be a bit harder to communicate with all the system hopping, but hey... we are old enough to know that the only constant thing is change.

 

[Brindarm]

Ooops! I saw you just the other day in your T6 entering Balandin Gateway (was going to hail you but figured you'd be docked before being able to respond). Just as you got in the box a Federal Dropship rose up from under you and tried to exit, I cringed, he clipped you, bounced backwards and appeared to disappear! You just sailed forward as if nothing happend

Yes, I do like bumping in to the locals

It does seem that the NPCs normally come off worse than us Commanders. It's probably a bug, but one that I'm happy to live with, given that the NPCs still like to come in through the center of the letterbox, without their lights on...