Hmmmm.... as I understand it... how to read the pending states is:
red arrow: The state has become less likely to happen soon
blue arrow: The state has become more likely to happen soon
Might be wrong, though.
Lets test this persistent universe and see if FD are true to their word.
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Hmmmm.... as I understand it... how to read the pending states is:
red arrow: The state has become less likely to happen soon
blue arrow: The state has become more likely to happen soon
Might be wrong, though.
I think you're right, but it is contradictory to the colour coding elsewhere (blue = good, red = bad, regardless of direction)
So at the very least it's inconsistent, at worst, we're doing it wrong
anybody else having trouble communicating with people on their friend's list? last night i saw 2 of you online, one of which was in lugh with me. i couldn't chat with either.
I managed to use the friends section of the in-game comms last night without issue, or are you using it in the friends section of the launch menu?
I tried both to no avail
i was on at an off time...but pretty sure I gave a shout out to someone yesterday. If I missed a comms I apologize! Was running around in a bad state yesterday! Fixed it, but it is nerve wracking!
Guys, i say we push it into lockdown. Just to see what happens. If its actruly a bad thing, we know that a lockdown is always bad. If it helps, then we know that at this stage of the game a lockdown is a good ting.
Seems we have a Cmdr in a Cobra who's wanting "pew pew", starting with a K. Can't get comms to work with Orfeboy.
<later> Oh well, seem's he's moved on...
<later> Oh well, seem's he's moved on...
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I dont know but importing too much progenitor cells could maybe also increase lockdown. They restore damage in older human cells and greatly extend their lifespan. This could lead to an overpopulation in high populated systems. Overpopulation further can lead to epidemics and this to a state of outbreak (pending state there).
I have been here in Kappa Fornacis and they have a lockdown state. If you look on their market screen they demand progenitors cells but atm with a zero ton value (same for non-lethal weapons and combat stabilisers). Thing is that LTT 1349 (high tech) is their neighbour system and players (very high traffic there) flooded Kappa Fornacis with all of this three commodities. And the same we did here in Lugh by importing huge quantums of progenitor cells and non-lethal weapons from Belarsuk.
Maybe.
I have been here in Kappa Fornacis and they have a lockdown state. If you look on their market screen they demand progenitors cells but atm with a zero ton value (same for non-lethal weapons and combat stabilisers). Thing is that LTT 1349 (high tech) is their neighbour system and players (very high traffic there) flooded Kappa Fornacis with all of this three commodities. And the same we did here in Lugh by importing huge quantums of progenitor cells and non-lethal weapons from Belarsuk.
Maybe.
We had a theory that importing goods gives state "points" that are similar to the ones that corresponding import missions give.
We didn't really follow through with a detailed experiment, though.
Is that not just a simple case of all the demand being fulfilled so they don't require any more at the moment? It could be coincidence.
I suppose it depends on what drives the supply/demand in the background sim. If the background sim is using these things for the local factions AND against other factions then it could be affecting what the faction states.
I'm not sure how we could effectively test this theory though? Unless everyone stops all trading and all missions and we only trade one specific item.
And then there's the difference between exporting a product and importing a product. Sounds like a logistical minefield to me...
I suppose it depends on what drives the supply/demand in the background sim. If the background sim is using these things for the local factions AND against other factions then it could be affecting what the faction states.
I'm not sure how we could effectively test this theory though? Unless everyone stops all trading and all missions and we only trade one specific item.
And then there's the difference between exporting a product and importing a product. Sounds like a logistical minefield to me...
No they didnt become illegal.
I am not in Lugh right now just checked quick for updates through the galaxy map and we got Lockdown now in Lugh.
Update.
We got lockdown state now in Lugh for CSG.
Crimson State Group 88.7% (-0.8%) +
Lugh for Equality 11.0% (+0.8%) +
Lugh Defence Force 0.1%
Silver Natural 0.1%
Dominion of Lugh 0.1%
Crimson State Group
State: Lockdown
Pending States: Boom - Lockdown +
Lugh for Equality
State: Boom
Pending States: Boom -
Lugh Defence Force
State:
Pending States: Civil War Critical
Silver Natural LTD
State:
Pending States: Civil War Critical
Dominion of Lugh
State:
Pending States:
PS: My question now. Does the import of commodities influence differend states like doing mission for a faction does ? In our case the import of non-lethal weapons or progenitor cells > might lead to an overpopulation in high populated systems as they extend peoples lifespan and further could lead to an epidemic (outbreak).
We got lockdown state now in Lugh for CSG.
Crimson State Group 88.7% (-0.8%) +
Lugh for Equality 11.0% (+0.8%) +
Lugh Defence Force 0.1%
Silver Natural 0.1%
Dominion of Lugh 0.1%
Crimson State Group
State: Lockdown
Pending States: Boom - Lockdown +
Lugh for Equality
State: Boom
Pending States: Boom -
Lugh Defence Force
State:
Pending States: Civil War Critical
Silver Natural LTD
State:
Pending States: Civil War Critical
Dominion of Lugh
State:
Pending States:
PS: My question now. Does the import of commodities influence differend states like doing mission for a faction does ? In our case the import of non-lethal weapons or progenitor cells > might lead to an overpopulation in high populated systems as they extend peoples lifespan and further could lead to an epidemic (outbreak).
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So now that we have a lockdown I presume we can go back to some serious trading to bring our % back up again. Afterall, we are in lockdown already. A question I have though is if we had continued to bring in weapons would we still have hit lockdown? The description states that 'a situation that was rapidly spiraling out of control'. Does this mean that it could actually have gotten out of control ie. a revolution or is it simply inevitable to get a lockdown and it be contained?
I am guessing it to be the latter but I would still like to get our % into the 90's. I am not comfortable leaving trade all together. we have a 5:4 ratio of stations right now. That means leaving them unattended and left to NPC activity it should fall back to about 45% vs 65%. We can not allow that to happen.
The next question is whether that boom pending is another boom or a 'cool down'?
I am guessing it to be the latter but I would still like to get our % into the 90's. I am not comfortable leaving trade all together. we have a 5:4 ratio of stations right now. That means leaving them unattended and left to NPC activity it should fall back to about 45% vs 65%. We can not allow that to happen.
The next question is whether that boom pending is another boom or a 'cool down'?
I dont know if we should continue trading with the same commodities as lockdown can lead to an outbreak maybe. Lockdown has nothing to do with a civil war (revolution) Michael mentioned somewhere if i understood him in the right way. And we still dont know what a lockdown is exactly and what it caused. Yes we got 5:4 ratio but LFE maybe got the bigger stations because why they got +0.8% again ? Because of our lockdown ?
Maybe the boom pending is a sign of Bust or just the cooldown (LFE also got it). And interesting is that LFE's Boom is lasting longer now then ours.
Maybe lets discuss later on mumble server what to do now.
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What's the word on all this? Is it working? Partially working? On and off working? Know one knows yet if it's actually working like it's supposed to?
This thread has been up for weeks and I'm very very curious what the general consensus is. From what I've read it would appear that some things work and some don't but, I'd have to guess it's not working as intended. Either that or what was "intended" is fundamentally flawed, at least I would have never expected what I've read here to be what was intended.
For you guys plugging away on this, is this what you expected it to be like?
This thread has been up for weeks and I'm very very curious what the general consensus is. From what I've read it would appear that some things work and some don't but, I'd have to guess it's not working as intended. Either that or what was "intended" is fundamentally flawed, at least I would have never expected what I've read here to be what was intended.
For you guys plugging away on this, is this what you expected it to be like?
I don't think we quite knew what to expect. Our current understanding is that there are various states that go through pending -> active -> cool down, and you can only have 1 active state at a time. So previously we had boom active and lockdown pending, now we have boom in cooldown and lockdown active. Fingers crossed we'll soon gain civil war pending. But a possible follow-on from lockdown is 'outbreak', which would be bad!
We're trying to work out what levers to pull, but it's very much still guesswork.
We have been bringing in progenitor cells, a medicine, which strikes me as not a bad idea if we want to prevent an outbreak... It's also worth doing some missions to see whether the lockdown state has changed the outcomes at all...
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Background simulation is working as intended we just enganging more and more new conditions as further we are driving it with our experiments in different groups trying out different things. Developers just keep the mechanics in a black box (sometimes they give us hints) and dont spoil it. Yes there were some flaws (bugs) but they have been fixed always very soon by the devs (thx for the good support!). And yes there are many things we expect to happend or will happen if we try to trigger different states of factions like Civil war, Expansion, Boom etc.
And overall the background simulation has just started.
Fore further informations you can read yourself through this threads.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97577
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=105921