Lets test this persistent universe and see if FD are true to their word.
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Well, that's another few million traded.
I'll be back tomorrow; same time, same place
Nice one! Keep it up.
Keep it up everyone! Everything you do now reinforces our efforts!
Hehe, I'm trading to the Fed stations in Solo right now, gonna slow you lot down!
That's ok - you're allowed. Haul all the goods you want to the fed stations but we got your number - try it in any other mode and we'll get ya
Hehe, I'm trading to the Fed stations in Solo right now, gonna slow you lot down!
Been quietly running Fed missions from Hartsfield myself. Mostly to stabilize them. I don't have any illusions it'll actually flip in our favor.
I'll likely move to empire space soon anyway.
Who is that then? The Dukes of Mykunn?
But seriously, surely it is the Dukes that you answer to? No?
Therefore should the Dukes contact us...
and for the record... We are the LFF. Protectors of the rights of the free man to choose his own destiny.
The CSG are the political guys...
The Sons of Conn? That is our heritage, our lineage, our race...
We aren't the Knights of Mikunn we are the Mercenaries of Mikunn. So in other words, we only answer to the Dukes when they pay us through the bulletin board. They host our home base... And always pay their debts for services rendered at the time promised.
It is hard to find people in the galaxy like this, so it is in our financial interest to see that they succeed and expand.... But otherwise we do not answer to them.
For example, you promised to compensate us for our work, the Dukes didn't send us here for an alliance. Speaking of which something was to be done by today, a very small payment compared to the services rendered. Yet I was informed today (the point the task should nearly be done) that you called the 5 guys I wanted for 5 days, back home. I'm not even sure they made it here.
As a result I had to cancel one of our special operations as well as an EIC one, which by the way, they aren't happy now either. Now one of the background tests we wanted to perform won't be done. I'm not really upset about this, but some of my guys are =/. Ever been surrounded by unpaid mercenaries? I am, and let me tell you... Not a pretty sight.
Five guys for five days, in return for all my guys for one week and half of my guys for an additional week, and then a no show because you called people back? While I'm not angry, I can understand why my Mercs feel a little burned. Nothing's going to come of this, but I wouldn't recommend doing this a second time, because God, wouldn't it make an interesting Galnet story if the Empire on one side, the Feds on the other, and the Mercs in between formed an alliance to crush Lugh for failure to pay war debts?
So since you've backed out on us you might as well get our name right. Not paying us and not calling us Mercs? It's like you are rubbing it in.
(Honestly I am amused by the situation, so I'm going to play it up a bit for some fun
(so don't take this seriously, but what if we were real mercs?!?!); however, some of my guys are legitimately irritated. The background sim fails them enough, player groups don't need to as well. And it's not like I gave you a difficult task. Time sensitive but very easy (I was being nice). At this point, everything is cancelled and we have changed what we are doing, otherwise I wouldn't have even mentioned those operations. Oh well. Next time.)
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We aren't the Knights of Mikunn we are the Mercenaries of Mikunn. So in other words, we only answer to the Dukes when they pay us through the bulletin board. They host our home base... And always pay their debts for services rendered at the time promised.
It is hard to find people in the galaxy like this, so it is in our financial interest to see that they succeed and expand.... But otherwise we do not answer to them.
For example, you promised to compensate us for our work, the Dukes didn't send us here for an alliance. Speaking of which something was to be done by today, a very small payment compared to the services rendered. Yet I was informed today (the point the task should nearly be done) that you called the 5 guys I wanted for 5 days, back home. I'm not even sure they made it here.
As a result I had to cancel one of our special operations as well as an EIC one, which by the way, they aren't happy about. Now one of the background tests we wanted to perform won't be done. I'm not really upset about this, but some of my guys are =/. Ever been surrounded by unpaid mercenaries? I am, and let me tell you... Not a pretty sight.
Five guys for five days, in return for all my guys for one week and half of my guys for an additional week, and then a no show because you called people back? While I'm not angry, I can understand why my Mercs feel a little burned. Nothing's going to come of this, but I wouldn't recommend doing this a second time, because God, wouldn't it make an interesting Galnet story if the Empire on one side, the Feds on the other, and the Mercs in between formed an alliance to crush Lugh for failure to pay war debts?
So if you back out on us you might as well get our name right. Not paying us and not calling us Mercs? It's like you are rubbing it in.
(Honestly I am amused by the situation, so I'm going to play it up a bit for some fun
What were you offered? as a loyaL csg member I would pledge to repay you.
Oh I know y'all will. Felt like teasing you a bit.
To answer your question - five guys time for five days, special job. When a new opportunity comes up I will let you know. I understand that you are worried about the homefront. And we want to see you succeed, which is why I gave you guys an easy way to return the favor.
Also I think everyone here understands now that they have seen your current influence. But at least get our name right
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Wow. Just.. Wow.
I never knew. I think a lot of people never knew about the specific payment you wanted; I for one would have come rushing. Maybe that's not what you want, and that's ok.
I know about the immense work you all have put into the war for Lugh, and I'm thankful. I know we (the CSG) owe you a lot, but please let us know how we can pay you back. If it's not for public eyes, I get that it all becomes hush-hush, but then you put the task of many on a few peoples shoulders; the fewer you rely on, the greater risk of failure.
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On a whole other note, trade went fine last night. I had the pleasure of having Jack Dinn as company, him in his T6 and me in my T7, good fun. When he logged off I thought, "hey, lets check out the shipyard" and I got enough dough together selling ships and I got me a Python! Yess!! Tooled for trading, because finances are tight at the moment.
So Lugh will get the medicines and in time, The Mercs of Mikunn can have my service, in any way they might want.
Viajero
Volunteer Moderator
Those supporting the CSG and PVP combat oriented may be interested to know there is still a significant amount of Federal player activity going on in Lugh. It is mostly happening around that first station near the main Lugh star (cant remember the name of that station now), which is still Federal jurisdiction, and the nav beacon. Wings of 2 o 3 Fed players roaming around and interdicting players in the area only to return safely to that station and pay right away the CSG jurisdiction fine to erase the system wanted status.
Lots of fun yesterday evening.
Lots of fun yesterday evening.
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we should do this. we had no voice in the galnet special report last week, and I think we could do with some publicity
So, I've been doing a little thinking.
Those on the forums know I supported the Fed in this recent fight, but I've always said I was an Alliance supporter first and foremost.
I know that you CSG supporters reached out to the Alliance to support you in your war effort, but they didn't send any help.
Now, this is reasonable for them. They have few systems (though they are extremely rich systems) and no capital ships to speak of. They're much smaller and less able to sustain a war against either the Federation or the Empire. So their goal to colonize new space is just about the smartest thing that they can do to increase their economy, and the size of their empire.
The Empire is over a hundred light years from Lugh, whereas the Alliance is far closer. So it's not reasonable to expect that Lugh will get folded in under Empire protection.
The Alliance however, that might be a different story. But it won't happen unless this Community Goal gets a lot of support.
If I, as an Alliance supporter was given the choice between supporting them, and the Federation, I would go for Alliance any day. The balance of power is mostly in the hands of the Federation, as they have the most systems. But I'd like to see it more or less neutral between all the major factions, I feel that's a really great way to prevent wars in the future.
I'm personally waiting a couple of days to see if more community goals pop up in Lugh, but the CSG should consider sending some people out exploring, and/or sharing exploration data with other commanders who want to complete that mission. Then post something official on these forums, and let the wheels turn around in the heads of the Devs. If the CSG make a notable push to help the Alliance, the Alliance will certainly colonize more systems, boosting their power, and also making it much more likely that they would be willing to help the CSG.
I said before that I wasn't pro-Fed. Just anti corporate government and therefore anti CSG. The Fed is little better, but the Alliance is a completely different political animal. One I have a lot of support for. I would put the goals of the Alliance over the goals of the Federation any day of the week, in which case you'd count my guns on your side in the next war.
Just a proposal, and it will be interesting to see what you do with it. I'm sure some diplomacy and generosity towards the Alliance will help boost the prospects of the CSG getting their political protection.
And I also have to say, having witnessed casually your groups' concerted effort to organize and influence this game, I truly respect your devotion and organization. Applied in the smartest manner possible, you could have a much larger impact on the game than just flipping a system. And while I'll fight your efforts to destabilize the Federation, if you manage to bolster the Alliance I will have no choice but to help you out. I'm sure a lot of other people would agree with me on this.
Looking forward to continuing onward. Either the skirmishes, or possibly, many months from now, as allies.
Those on the forums know I supported the Fed in this recent fight, but I've always said I was an Alliance supporter first and foremost.
I know that you CSG supporters reached out to the Alliance to support you in your war effort, but they didn't send any help.
Now, this is reasonable for them. They have few systems (though they are extremely rich systems) and no capital ships to speak of. They're much smaller and less able to sustain a war against either the Federation or the Empire. So their goal to colonize new space is just about the smartest thing that they can do to increase their economy, and the size of their empire.
The Empire is over a hundred light years from Lugh, whereas the Alliance is far closer. So it's not reasonable to expect that Lugh will get folded in under Empire protection.
The Alliance however, that might be a different story. But it won't happen unless this Community Goal gets a lot of support.
If I, as an Alliance supporter was given the choice between supporting them, and the Federation, I would go for Alliance any day. The balance of power is mostly in the hands of the Federation, as they have the most systems. But I'd like to see it more or less neutral between all the major factions, I feel that's a really great way to prevent wars in the future.
I'm personally waiting a couple of days to see if more community goals pop up in Lugh, but the CSG should consider sending some people out exploring, and/or sharing exploration data with other commanders who want to complete that mission. Then post something official on these forums, and let the wheels turn around in the heads of the Devs. If the CSG make a notable push to help the Alliance, the Alliance will certainly colonize more systems, boosting their power, and also making it much more likely that they would be willing to help the CSG.
I said before that I wasn't pro-Fed. Just anti corporate government and therefore anti CSG. The Fed is little better, but the Alliance is a completely different political animal. One I have a lot of support for. I would put the goals of the Alliance over the goals of the Federation any day of the week, in which case you'd count my guns on your side in the next war.
Just a proposal, and it will be interesting to see what you do with it. I'm sure some diplomacy and generosity towards the Alliance will help boost the prospects of the CSG getting their political protection.
And I also have to say, having witnessed casually your groups' concerted effort to organize and influence this game, I truly respect your devotion and organization. Applied in the smartest manner possible, you could have a much larger impact on the game than just flipping a system. And while I'll fight your efforts to destabilize the Federation, if you manage to bolster the Alliance I will have no choice but to help you out. I'm sure a lot of other people would agree with me on this.
Looking forward to continuing onward. Either the skirmishes, or possibly, many months from now, as allies.
Hehe, I'm trading to the Fed stations in Solo right now, gonna slow you lot down!
oh yes this is an excellent idea! Everyone who has been supporting the freedom of Lugh should now go 2,000Ly to 4,000LY away from the system because... err you want to flip the system in peace?
*Smiles .. its heartening to see you have taken up the project with such enthusiasm and now seem so willing to assist with such helpful advice.
My understanding was the Empire people were allowed to assist only on the condition they would not do nothing to swing the system towards the Empire. There was never any idea to join with the empire if my reading of the previous pages in this thread is correct.
I had no impression that you would trust me. Honestly the easier thing to do would be to share your good exploration sites on the thread I raised. Lugh is simply too rich a prize to survive anyways without inevitable Fed incursions. The only real defense it has is to join the Alliance. You guys already tried that, so why not keep up that process? Like I said, I support the Alliance first and foremost.
And even losing a couple of players for a minute isn't that hurtful. I'm sure some of you all want a change of pace. Well, I'm inviting players to share good systems that they've found, and so anyone who wants to can go there. Other players are doing the same now, so the profits are certainly good if you go to those areas.
Or just don't even go. Do some big speechy thing, compile a bunch of really valuable systems, and put out a big post on it on my thread. Boom, you do no work, nobody leaves Lugh, you get to do some great speechy thing to the Alliance and help them just the same. I imagine it will help out your prospects significantly.
And as far as continuing to push for the Feds, don't be surprised. Like I said, the CSG is below the Feds to me. I'm kind of bummed actually that the Alliance didn't support you, because I'd certainly be fighting for them in any war. But I'm going to support an actual democracy over a corporate government any day of the week. Unless I get to choose an Alliance group. That's my dividing line.
Here's the thing. You lot in the CSG have done an enormous amount of hard work to shape this game. You're organized, passionate, all that good stuff. You've devoted real time, blood, sweat, and probably some tears as well (at least from your wives or girlfriends).
In some ways, I feel kind of bad for you. It's not that I have anything against CSG players personally, yet I have my strict RP standards that I uphold as a player. One of those things is that my character doesn't believe that in 3300 that there is any room for slavery, or bad governments. I strongly dislike the Empire to a fault. They're on the bottom of my list. The Federation is obviously a corrupt wolf in sheep's clothing. I've been to Federation systems with a Corporate government who traded slaves. The Federation are obviously not good guys. But their nominal attempts at democracy are notable, which is influencing my opinion of the Lugh conflict.
Only the Alliance has an equal power structure, great autonomy for each member system, and the ability to have the unique culture of that system be fully expressed and encouraged. Granted some Alliance systems are dictatorships, and some trade in slaves. But when the big factions can swallow up independent systems like it was nothing, it helps to support the one faction that won't erase the memory of the people who came before it.
So, at the moment I might be trying to undermine your movement. But you should recognize it has nothing to do with you, and everything to do with the political conditions we have to consider. I feel bad in some ways, being a part of a huge group of people determined to stop all the hard work you guys put in. I can't ethically put my sympathy for your group above my RP politics, but if you were a part of my favorite faction, I would obviously have to reconsider that.
This is pretty smart politics for the lot of you. And you don't have to take my word for it, but I think if conflicts keep happening around Lugh, eventually it may wear you CSG down. Especially because the Feds won't make the same mistakes that they did this time around. If you had an ace in the hole, and Alliance support, you'd draw away a significant amount of Fed support. Namely because the Feds are really just the Alliance lite. Hence why few people are super stoked about the Feds.
In some ways, I feel kind of bad for you. It's not that I have anything against CSG players personally, yet I have my strict RP standards that I uphold as a player. One of those things is that my character doesn't believe that in 3300 that there is any room for slavery, or bad governments. I strongly dislike the Empire to a fault. They're on the bottom of my list. The Federation is obviously a corrupt wolf in sheep's clothing. I've been to Federation systems with a Corporate government who traded slaves. The Federation are obviously not good guys. But their nominal attempts at democracy are notable, which is influencing my opinion of the Lugh conflict.
Only the Alliance has an equal power structure, great autonomy for each member system, and the ability to have the unique culture of that system be fully expressed and encouraged. Granted some Alliance systems are dictatorships, and some trade in slaves. But when the big factions can swallow up independent systems like it was nothing, it helps to support the one faction that won't erase the memory of the people who came before it.
So, at the moment I might be trying to undermine your movement. But you should recognize it has nothing to do with you, and everything to do with the political conditions we have to consider. I feel bad in some ways, being a part of a huge group of people determined to stop all the hard work you guys put in. I can't ethically put my sympathy for your group above my RP politics, but if you were a part of my favorite faction, I would obviously have to reconsider that.
This is pretty smart politics for the lot of you. And you don't have to take my word for it, but I think if conflicts keep happening around Lugh, eventually it may wear you CSG down. Especially because the Feds won't make the same mistakes that they did this time around. If you had an ace in the hole, and Alliance support, you'd draw away a significant amount of Fed support. Namely because the Feds are really just the Alliance lite. Hence why few people are super stoked about the Feds.
