Lets test this persistent universe and see if FD are true to their word.

[DaveB]

Thing is, Jeeves, there are no Alliance-aligned factions in Lugh. Without one we couldn't "join the Alliance" without FD help. When this all started we had a Fed-controlled system that contained Fed-aligned and independent factions. An independent one was selected and the work began. Even though I participated in the CSG effort as an independent pilot who is, like yourself, primarily aligned with the Alliance, I would LOVE for there to be a mechanism for us to influence the major faction a minor one is aligned with, but there just isn't.

Perhaps FD can give us an option to choose a major faction as our primary allegiance at cmdr creation (initial small boost in faction rep for selecting it, start in a system aligned with that faction, doing missions for that faction has a small bonus in rep) and then adjust the alignment of a faction based on the proportion of cmdrs "primary allegiance" doing missions for 'em? Would probably open a huge can of worms though.

Yes, my opinion agrees with yours, that it would be good politics for CSG to become members of the Alliance, but even if there was consensus amongst the players that this would be a good thing, there isn't any way for us to do it.

 

[Griff_en]

What the organises of this thread choose to do is up to them. I suspect they a have had thought this through long before this.

I have amused myself with the idea of the idea a of an Alliance enclave here too but seriously, if you stop and think about this for a second to have it so deep inside Federation territory would be politically intolerable to them, it would force their hand. As an independent system however this would be par for the course in this part of the galaxy ( you will see a plethora of independent systems around here).

It is pleasing however that your RP character favours the Alliance and its philosophy. As such it makes sense for you to support a free and independent Lugh. The Alliance is simply a collection of independent systems that support each other militarily where required. They appear to favour the ideals that lead to Lughs desire for freedom from the federation


From the Wiki
"The Alliance was formed circa 3230 AD in Alioth, and portrays itself as a beacon of human rights and democracy in an increasingly autocratic universe. It does not conform to the political ideals of the totalitarian Empire, or the authoritarian Federation and there is much cultural variation among its members."

I look forward to you joining us and supporting our struggle.

 

[Jeeves]

Thing is, Jeeves, there are no Alliance-aligned factions in Lugh. Without one we couldn't "join the Alliance" without FD help. When this all started we had a Fed-controlled system that contained Fed-aligned and independent factions. An independent one was selected and the work began. Even though I participated in the CSG effort as an independent pilot who is, like yourself, primarily aligned with the Alliance, I would LOVE for there to be a mechanism for us to influence the major faction a minor one is aligned with, but there just isn't.

Perhaps FD can give us an option to choose a major faction as our primary allegiance at cmdr creation (initial small boost in faction rep for selecting it, start in a system aligned with that faction, doing missions for that faction has a small bonus in rep) and then adjust the alignment of a faction based on the proportion of cmdrs "primary allegiance" doing missions for 'em? Would probably open a huge can of worms though.

Yes, my opinion agrees with yours, that it would be good politics for CSG to become members of the Alliance, but even if there was consensus amongst the players that this would be a good thing, there isn't any way for us to do it.

Sure, but given that the CSG is an entirely player promoted faction, they're clearly a force to be reckoned with in their own right that FD has noticed. There was fluff earlier on about appeals to the Alliance leading up to the war, but it's something that the CSG can actively promote if they do it, as a group. That is a matter of player choice. And it would be very easy, given that the Devs read the forums, for them to notice the work you're doing, the "dowry" of sorts that you can put out as you attempt to woo the Alliance.

In any case, even if you couldn't influence the game in this manner, an Alliance that is equal in strength to both the Federation and the Empire is an excellent foil against large wars. And this might save the hide of the CSG. So just like how Imperial players used the war to destabilize Federation space, you use asymmetric warfare (or in this case, diplomacy and trade incentives) to protect your efforts in Lugh.

By the way, my first degree was in Political Science with a focus on international relations in the Middle East. So I have a bit of experience in the subject of asymmetric defense.

 

[DaveB]

...By the way, my first degree was in Political Science with a focus on international relations in the Middle East. So I have a bit of experience in the subject of asymmetric defense.

Heh, that's a can of worms I really don't want to open.. However I have a little experience too, since while I don't have a degree in the subject, when I took the few courses I did in pol sci, the focus was the balkans...

 

[Jeeves]

What the organises of this thread choose to do is up to them. I suspect they a have had thought this through long before this.

I have amused myself with the idea of the idea a of an Alliance enclave here too but seriously, if you stop and think about this for a second to have it so deep inside Federation territory would be politically intolerable to them, it would force their hand. As an independent system however this would be par for the course in this part of the galaxy ( you will see a plethora of independent systems around here).

It is pleasing however that your RP character favours the Alliance and its philosophy. As such it makes sense for you to support a free and independent Lugh. The Alliance is simply a collection of independent systems that support each other militarily where required. They appear to favour the ideals that lead to Lughs desire for freedom from the federation


From the Wiki
"The Alliance was formed circa 3230 AD in Alioth, and portrays itself as a beacon of human rights and democracy in an increasingly autocratic universe. It does not conform to the political ideals of the totalitarian Empire, or the authoritarian Federation and there is much cultural variation among its members."

I look forward to you joining us and supporting our struggle.

One step at a time. I'm still more supportive of democracies, communist governments, cooperatives, and confederacies than I am corporate governments, or anything worse than that. Barring Alliance support I'm always going to be more supportive of one of the aforementioned governments then the latter.

If you want my help personally, it completely depends on your group getting Alliance support. Either that or the Crimson State Group turns into a democratic organization. In which case I might also abide your cause. At the moment it's still just a megacorporation. I'm not into it. My vision of space corporations is Weyland-Yutani. I do not like them. Where they are in control, they're mostly "evil" and can basically do whatever they want with their minions. Everything depends on the almighty credits. The only thing that ever matters to them. Persuading me to trust the CSG in its current form is not worth the argument to me. Unless I see something really awesome like the CSG turning democratic and/or freeing millions of slaves. Otherwise, just another evil galactic megacorp.

Go hook up the Alliance support and you'll have my help. And help them regardless so as to fight asymmetrically. Send some people out to collect system data. That, or share your best data with other people so that they can go do it.

 

[Mauze]

I want everyone to start running missions for CSG ASAP.

This is now our priority until told otherwise.

Get as many done as possible!

Ok. I'm working on it.

 

[Jeeves]

Heh, that's a can of worms I really don't want to open.. However I have a little experience too, since while I don't have a degree in the subject, when I took the few courses I did in pol sci, the focus was the balkans...

Me neither. No way. I like playing space politics, but that's it. Though I can imagine you completely see why it's a good idea to boost the Alliance. Even if the CSG didn't get in. And I'll admit, I win too. This also serves my interests, which is three factions of equal strength, perpetually in a state of detente where wars would be stupidly costly and utterly pointless. Peace through threat of mutual annihilation. If they want to advance their prospects, they have to go colonize new space.

 

[Darkfyre99]

I'm at work at the moment.

Does anyone have the latest traffic report? I had to play solo during the war because I simply couldn't get a good connection, making open all but unplayable.

 

[FU5E]

I'm at work at the moment.

Does anyone have the latest traffic report? I had to play solo during the war because I simply couldn't get a good connection, making open all but unplayable.

2041 Ships/24h

 

[orfeboy]

So, I've been doing a little thinking.

Those on the forums know I supported the Fed in this recent fight, but I've always said I was an Alliance supporter first and foremost.

I know that you CSG supporters reached out to the Alliance to support you in your war effort, but they didn't send any help.

Now, this is reasonable for them. They have few systems (though they are extremely rich systems) and no capital ships to speak of. They're much smaller and less able to sustain a war against either the Federation or the Empire. So their goal to colonize new space is just about the smartest thing that they can do to increase their economy, and the size of their empire.

The Empire is over a hundred light years from Lugh, whereas the Alliance is far closer. So it's not reasonable to expect that Lugh will get folded in under Empire protection.

The Alliance however, that might be a different story. But it won't happen unless this Community Goal gets a lot of support.

If I, as an Alliance supporter was given the choice between supporting them, and the Federation, I would go for Alliance any day. The balance of power is mostly in the hands of the Federation, as they have the most systems. But I'd like to see it more or less neutral between all the major factions, I feel that's a really great way to prevent wars in the future.

I'm personally waiting a couple of days to see if more community goals pop up in Lugh, but the CSG should consider sending some people out exploring, and/or sharing exploration data with other commanders who want to complete that mission. Then post something official on these forums, and let the wheels turn around in the heads of the Devs. If the CSG make a notable push to help the Alliance, the Alliance will certainly colonize more systems, boosting their power, and also making it much more likely that they would be willing to help the CSG.

I said before that I wasn't pro-Fed. Just anti corporate government and therefore anti CSG. The Fed is little better, but the Alliance is a completely different political animal. One I have a lot of support for. I would put the goals of the Alliance over the goals of the Federation any day of the week, in which case you'd count my guns on your side in the next war.

Just a proposal, and it will be interesting to see what you do with it. I'm sure some diplomacy and generosity towards the Alliance will help boost the prospects of the CSG getting their political protection.

And I also have to say, having witnessed casually your groups' concerted effort to organize and influence this game, I truly respect your devotion and organization. Applied in the smartest manner possible, you could have a much larger impact on the game than just flipping a system. And while I'll fight your efforts to destabilize the Federation, if you manage to bolster the Alliance I will have no choice but to help you out. I'm sure a lot of other people would agree with me on this.

Looking forward to continuing onward. Either the skirmishes, or possibly, many months from now, as allies.

You have failed to understand anything that has gone on in this war. The Galnet clearly pointed out to you that the Federation is selling slaves on the open market in LTT4846. That is a FACT. You can go and buy them there if you wish! FD printed it because it is true!

Children have been going missing from Lugh, canned and turned into cat food. At best they are sold into slavery.

The Federation was offered a chance to solve the problem in Lugh publicly by a peoples vote but instead chose to invade and murder millions of citizens.

You have read 'Corporate Government' yet failed to read the politics of the Crimson State Group and the type of Government they represent. Lugh is governed by Brehon Law. It is a grass roots system where laws are created by the people themselves and control all the power. Figureheads have no admistrative power whatsoever. A tried and tested system that has worked and survived so because it worked for THOUSANDS of years. Go look it up, you might learn something.

Your statement about your beliefs has clearly demonstrated that you fell into this war blindly choosing to follow flags and emblems that are designed by their nature to herd the weak minded and based on your complex beliefs evidently fought for the wrong side.

You see this word 'Federation' and it inspires ideas of democracy in your mind but you fail to stop and actually analyse what it really is. So I will spell it out for you. The Federation is an Empire. It started in Earth and it went out into space and it created colonies. Those colonies are colonies of an Empire and are essential to the well being of a wasted and nearly lifeless source worlds well being who's prime export is now bio-waste. It is the playground of the rich and famous who grow fat off the toil of the colonies they keep bound to their control. These colonies of people with their own identities and no affiliation with this source world system (Sol) work and grind for ITS benefit. When these colony systems seek independence of themselves your 'Federation' opens up a can of democracy on them. Does that sound like letting people control their own lives to you?

Giving an Empire a name like the Federation does not stop it being an Empire. The truth is still the truth even if a thousand misguided voices try to shout it down.

The Crimson State was never attempting to join the Alliance. We have no interest in being in their club. We were seeking inter-galactic recognition as a sovereign state and a trade embargo against the Lugh for Equality Party. If you had actually read the Galnet you would have understood that.

Didn't you read anything before you picked up your gun?

Besides, the Federation is the furthest thing from a democracy. I trust you actually read the descriptions on Fedration systems on the star map? If you did you would realise that they have a mixture of governmetal systems. The Federation is not a democracy.

Fact.

 

[Yachats]

There are not very many missions, from anyone, but it seems especially CSG. I just found a bounty hunt for bounty hunters at Seega - but those are a pain. I've been able to do food donation, another couple resource fetches but very few available.

 

[orfeboy]

There are not very many missions, from anyone, but it seems especially CSG. I just found a bounty hunt for bounty hunters at Seega - but those are a pain. I've been able to do food donation, another couple resource fetches but very few available.

The more you do the more appear.

 

[Jeeves]

You have failed to understand anything that has gone on in this war. The Galnet clearly pointed out to you that the Federation is selling slaves on the open market in LTT4846. That is a FACT. You can go and buy them there if you wish! FD printed it because it is true!

Children have been going missing from Lugh, canned and turned into cat food. At best they are sold into slavery.

The Federation was offered a chance to solve the problem in Lugh publicly by a peoples vote but instead chose to invade and murder millions of citizens.

You have read 'Corporate Government' yet failed to read the politics of the Crimson State Group and the type of Government they represent. Lugh is governed by Brehon Law. It is a grass roots system where laws are created by the people themselves and control all the power. Figureheads have no admistrative power whatsoever. A tried and tested system that has worked and survived so because it worked for THOUSANDS of years. Go look it up, you might learn something.

Your statement about your beliefs has clearly demonstrated that you fell into this war blindly choosing to follow flags and emblems that are designed by their nature to herd the weak minded and based on your complex beliefs evidently fought for the wrong side.

You see this word 'Federation' and it inspires ideas of democracy in your mind but you fail to stop and actually analyse what it really is. So I will spell it out for you. The Federation is an Empire. It started in Earth and it went out into space and it created colonies. Those colonies are colonies of an Empire and are essential to the well being of a wasted and nearly lifeless source worlds well being who's prime export is now bio-waste. It is the playground of the rich and famous who grow fat off the toil of the colonies they keep bound to their control. These colonies of people with their own identities and no affiliation with this source world system (Sol) work and grind for ITS benefit. When these colony systems seek independence of themselves your 'Federation' opens up a can of democracy on them. Does that sound like letting people control their own lives to you?

Giving an Empire a name like the Federation does not stop it being an Empire. The truth is still the truth even if a thousand misguided voices try to shout it down.

The Crimson State was never attempting to join the Alliance. We have no interest in being in their club. We were seeking inter-galactic recognition as a sovereign state and a trade embargo against the Lugh for Equality Party. If you had actually read the Galnet you would have understood that.

Didn't you read anything before you picked up your gun?

Besides, the Federation is the furthest thing from a democracy. I trust you actually read the descriptions on Fedration systems on the star map? If you did you would realise that they have a mixture of governmetal systems. The Federation is not a democracy.

Fact.

Eh, you can say whatever you want about the CSG, as far as I know it's just propaganda. I understand that the Federation is a dirty, scummy, rotten organization. I know that it primarily shifts power to the core systems. I have been to Federation hubs controlled by corporate governments that openly trade in slaves. I know all about that. But, all politics is local. And the Lugh for Equality party was a democratic organization before anything else. Given a choice between varying degrees of scum and villainy, I can make my own educated choices about which is worse.

I'm not going to trust whatever you lot say about the CSG. I've heard people argue that for some reason "Imperial slavery isn't slavery". You can call it by whatever name you want to, but you can't confuse what it is. Corporations don't operate under some non-hierarchical ancient Breton law. The label that Frontier Development assigns to that group provides me more than enough information for me to draw my own conclusions.

You can't have your model and also have a Corporate system. What you're discussing sounds more like a Cooperative. Of which the CSG group, is obviously not delegated.

Perhaps it's you who is butt-chugging propaganda? Why are you trying to call a cow a horse?

 

[orfeboy]

Eh, you can say whatever you want about the CSG, as far as I know it's just propaganda. I understand that the Federation is a dirty, scummy, rotten organization. I know that it primarily shifts power to the core systems. I have been to Federation hubs controlled by corporate governments that openly trade in slaves. I know all about that. But, all politics is local. And the Lugh for Equality party was a democratic organization before anything else. Given a choice between varying degrees of scum and villainy, I can make my own educated choices about which is worse.

I'm not going to trust whatever you lot say about the CSG. I've heard people argue that for some reason "Imperial slavery isn't slavery". You can call it by whatever name you want to, but you can't confuse what it is. Corporations don't operate under some non-hierarchical ancient Breton law. The label that Frontier Development assigns to that group provides me more than enough information for me to draw my own conclusions.

You can't have your model and also have a Corporate system. What you're discussing sounds more like a Cooperative. Of which the CSG group, is obviously not delegated.

Perhaps it's you who is butt-chugging propaganda? Why are you trying to call a cow a horse?

Erm, you do realise that I am the one writing this don't you? Therefore I know what it is... FD has written it into the lore so your argument is invalid. You obviously have no understanding of Brehon law, clan systems or any modern version of that. I don't need you to educate me about my own culture. You are misguided in your views and simply backed the wrong horse. You now have the hump and are using roleplay as an excuse to mask your true intentions.

Up until this war started a couple of weeks ago you had never even heard of the CSG or anything to do with this thread or what we have been doing here. You had an opportunity to be part of something meaningful in this game and actually achieve something and make a difference. those people who played with us achieved that. You simply decided to be a beach bully and try and stamp on our sand castle. Now you are upset because you backed a bigger side and it did not turn out the way you wanted. No matter what happens from here on out, nobody can change that. The people on here have a huge amount to be proud of. They have done something really special. It i all positive. What you are doing is merely housing negativity. Meaningless negativity that has no value to the games development or friendly player interaction trying to enjoy a game. Your comments on that other thread about how you can't wait to destroy all our work are extremely childish. I personally take offence to that despite the fact that I have done my best to be graceful in my reaction to your comments.

You are way out of order and anyone reading it can clearly see it.

 

[Jeeves]

Erm, you do realise that I am the one writing this don't you? Therefore I know what it is... FD has written it into the lore so your argument is invalid. You obviously have no understanding of Brehon law, clan systems or any modern version of that. I don't need you to educate me abut my own culture. You are misguided in your views and simply backed the wrong horse. You now have the hump and are using roleplay as an excuse to mask your true intentions.

Actually no, I still don't buy your argument. If you want FD to change the dynamic then ask that your group be titled "a cooperative". That's how I made my decision. It's a lot easier to clarify things based on government type than trying to read into the fluff people put out.

Kim Jong Un can get a woman pregnant by thinking of her as pregnant. He never defecates or gets sick. He descended from heaven on a rainbow, no mortal woman could birth the child of a God. This is literally what people believe in North Korea. And who is to say it's true? Kim Jong Un. Should we take him at his word? Absolutely not.

Firstly, think about how hard it is, 1300 years in the future to claim Celtic ancestry. By this point in human history, people have been so interbred that we all most likely look some nice shade of darkish. Britain has been populated by Indians, Pakistanis, Africans, and all manner of other people for hundreds of years before the first space flight even took place. How is one little clan going to pass its Celtic heritage along through thousands of years without intermarriage? How would you keep your customs so many thousands of years after it had already been badly corrupted by the influence of Christianity and the religion having gone into hiding.

Magical scrolls and ancient rituals passed down through generations? Sounds about as plausible as Kim Jong Un's claims about his own birth.

It's not plausible. It's even more implausible than a bunch of Wiccans having a legitimate claim to the British Isles, by declaring that only they are the true Druids of lore. It's about 1,300 years more implausible!

There's a reason why many people doubt the CSG, despite whatever you guys are claiming about it. Hey, I'm not saying I don't like your fluff, but it's got more of that weird cult aspect and/or an opportunistic corporation concocting some elaborate story to justify that they don't want to pay taxes anymore, and want to make more money.

I realize this is your project, and you're modeling it based on your own ideas, but people have been making highly skeptical analyses of others claims to land rights for as long as that's been a thing. At the moment, the current political designation of the CSG is more valuable to me than your story happens to be. It's a fun story, I like where you've gone with it, but I still find it implausible.

I haven't rushed into siding with anyone. I was very deliberately siding with the Federation for all the reasons I've already stated. And again, without Alliance support (an organization of independent systems that work to protect each other) I'm not interested in fighting for you. Sorry. Go help the Alliance, if only to alter the balance of power such that your group in Lugh is less likely to get attacked.

 

[orfeboy]

Actually no, I still don't buy your argument. If you want FD to change the dynamic then ask that your group be titled "a cooperative". That's how I made my decision. It's a lot easier to clarify things based on government type than trying to read into the fluff people put out.

Kim Jong Un can get a woman pregnant by thinking of her as pregnant. He never defecates or gets sick. He descended from heaven on a rainbow, no mortal woman could birth the child of a God. This is literally what people believe in North Korea. And who is to say it's true? Kim Jong Un. Should we take him at his word? Absolutely not.

Firstly, think about how hard it is, 1300 years in the future to claim Celtic ancestry. By this point in human history, people have been so interbred that we all most likely look some nice shade of darkish. Britain has been populated by Indians, Pakistanis, Africans, and all manner of other people for hundreds of years before the first space flight even took place. How is one little clan going to pass its Celtic heritage along through thousands of years without intermarriage? How would you keep your customs so many thousands of years after it had already been badly corrupted by the influence of Christianity and the religion having gone into hiding.

Magical scrolls and ancient rituals passed down through generations? Sounds about as plausible as Kim Jong Un's claims about his own birth.

It's not plausible. It's even more implausible than a bunch of Wiccans having a legitimate claim to the British Isles, by declaring that only they are the true Druids of lore. It's about 1,300 years more implausible!

There's a reason why many people doubt the CSG, despite whatever you guys are claiming about it. Hey, I'm not saying I don't like your fluff, but it's got more of that weird cult aspect and/or an opportunistic corporation concocting some elaborate story to justify that they don't want to pay taxes anymore, and want to make more money.

I realize this is your project, and you're modeling it based on your own ideas, but people have been making highly skeptical analyses of others claims to land rights for as long as that's been a thing. At the moment, the current political designation of the CSG is more valuable to me than your story happens to be. It's a fun story, I like where you've gone with it, but I still find it implausible.

I haven't rushed into siding with anyone. I was very deliberately siding with the Federation for all the reasons I've already stated. And again, without Alliance support (an organization of independent systems that work to protect each other) I'm not interested in fighting for you. Sorry. Go help the Alliance, if only to alter the balance of power such that your group in Lugh is less likely to get attacked.

It does not matter what I say. You will just find a way to justify your actions. Its nonsense. This is what it is. What you are doing is trying to rewrite it to suit yourself. FD have absorbed it. That gives it legitimacy. You have sour grapes. Your numerous threads demonstrate that. That is real life. Not a game.

 

[Jeeves]

It does not matter what I say. You will just find a way to justify your actions. Its nonsense. This is what it is. What you are doing is trying to rewrite it to suit yourself. FD have absorbed it. That gives it legitimacy. You have sour grapes. Your numerous threads demonstrate that. That is real life. Not a game.

Do I find that the CSG victory was tarnished due to the actions of turncoat mercenaries? Yes. Was cap ship combat easier and could be construed as cheating in some circumstances? Yes. Did you finish your trade goal on time? Yes. Did the Federation finish theirs a day and a half after you finished your combat goal? Yes. Did the Fed combat goal require 15 billion more credits to be made? Yes.

Upon further examination of Brehon law, I still don't like it. The segmentation of society based on concepts of honor and power, and the rules about ownership and lineage just make it appear more like a somewhat more equitable version of what the Imperials have, in that your kings are not above the law, as Senators are in the Empire. Other than that, I can't for the life of me see how that system is better than a democracy. Even a democracy nestled in a highly corrupt and morally degenerate system like the Federation.

I'm even taking you at your word on this one. Saying that yes, you are right, all you say is true. I still cannot agree with it, given the choice between an equitable democracy and what you want to create. Sorry. That's just what I feel. Consider me a cynical leftist space guerilla. Not too proud to be considered above anything, and always willing to work towards a lighter shade of grey. Your ancient government and hidden culture obscured in secret, would have to be tiny. Teensy tiny. Swamped in a field of atheists injecting progenitor cells, watching the latest holographic soap operas and stupid reality holo shows. The Jersey Shore of 3300. This will constitute the vast majority of all Federation systems. This exact kind of culture. You guys, even if you held on to your heritage for 2,000 years, will be a miniscule part of this population.

What am I supposed to think? Hundreds of years into Ireland's future a lone, Irish clan all jump on the same colony ship, and send themselves out into the stars? Bouncing from planet to planet along the way, yet never losing touch with their identity?

We're not talking Space Jews here. I highly doubt anyone could keep their tribe together for that long, through that much trial. Besides the Space Jews. That is one hardy tribe. They will probably last through human history.

The hardcore non-Christian Irish who follow the old Gods? I'm pretty sure St. Patrick destroyed that community. Though I'm not completely versed in my Medieval Irish history.

 

[orfeboy]

Upon further examination of Brehon law, I still don't like it. The segmentation of society based on concepts of honor and power, and the rules about ownership and lineage just make it appear more like a somewhat more equitable version of what the Imperials have, in that your kings are not above the law, as Senators are in the Empire. Other than that, I can't for the life of me see how that system is better than a democracy. Even a democracy nestled in a highly corrupt and morally degenerate system like the Federation.

I'm even taking you at your word on this one. Saying that yes, you are right, all you say is true. I still cannot agree with it, given the choice between an equitable democracy and what you want to create. Sorry. That's just what I feel. Consider me a cynical leftist space guerilla. Not too proud to be considered above anything, and always willing to work towards a lighter shade of grey. Your ancient government and hidden culture obscured in secret, would have to be tiny. Teensy tiny. Swamped in a field of atheists injecting progenitor cells, watching the latest holographic soap operas and stupid reality holo shows. The Jersey Shore of 3300. This will constitute the vast majority of all Federation systems. This exact kind of culture. You guys, even if you held on to your heritage for 2,000 years, will be a miniscule part of this population.

I would suggest educating yourself beyond Wikipedia.

You are still demonstrating that you do not understand any of this.

 

[DaveB]

Actually no, I still don't buy your argument. If you want FD to change the dynamic then ask that your group be titled "a cooperative". That's how I made my decision. It's a lot easier to clarify things based on government type than trying to read into the fluff people put out....

Buddy, RP is all well and good but outta character I gotta call bovine biowaste on contradicting the guy who basically authored the original story. He wrote the scenario, FD is just GM-ing it. If Orfeboy claims Lugh is now governed under Brehon law, I'll believe him and RP accordingly.

Brehon law was one of the most just ancient legal frameworks and it's also worth mentioning that as far as democracy goes, the oldest continuously operating parliament in the world is to be found on the Isle of Man, the only place ever simultaneously settled by celtic and nordic folks where they actually got along instead of raiding each other.... (not the absolute oldest parliament, that honor goes to Iceland, but the Tynwald has operated continuously from its founding, the Icelandic parliament hasn't)

 

[sirius42]

Lughnatics i set up a irc channel and join us all on our irc channe nowl !

We can organize us trough there also.

https://webchat.quakenet.org/

Just give in any nick and for the channel give in " #lugh ".

Mauze, me and Starschulz are right ther in atm.

Lets have a chat. Old scool