News Lifetime Expansion Pass Holders - Update!

No one in their right minde would buy a LEP pas now, for a game that you can pick up for 12 euros during holliday sales.
They removed the Beta testing for all updates, (something that was part of the LEP and for some the reason to buy it)
Not to mention the Alpha , premium Beta backers and LEP buyers Paying between 100 and 200 euros.
What did they get the dangerous game the horizons pass , the purchase of Cobra mk IV (not exclusive to backers but any one owning Dangerous and horizons before februari 2016) A free eagle a free viper mk IV couple of paintjobs and bubble head.

Now is this game worth a few painjobs or ships that can be bought in game after a few jumps as an explorer or a couple of misions.

They realy wanted to keep their backers happy have some form of prototype ship , nothing over powered . a guardian hybrid or something,perhaps a mini personal carrier for your small ships ,perhaps the Panther clipper or Narwall. what ever but dont come with some paintjobs and bobble heads that is just insulting.
 
And by the way, the only thing the LEP promised was that all future updates for Elite Dangerous would be given to you free of charge, nowhere did it state when updates would be released. Updates take time to make, so badgering the developers because you feel you are entitled to new updates NOW is very disingenuous.
Pre-ordering season passes is basically just gambling. Complaining you didnt get what you hoped for is like complaining it ended on red, or complaining the stocks went down. If that uncertainty is something that one finds disturbing, then just buy stuff when it is released.
 
Pre-ordering season passes is basically just gambling. Complaining you didnt get what you hoped for is like complaining it ended on red, or complaining the stocks went down. If that uncertainty is something that one finds disturbing, then just buy stuff when it is released.
No it isn't, that's a false equivalence. I didn't buy a lottery ticket, I bought a voucher.
 
No it isn't, that's a false equivalence. I didn't buy a lottery ticket, I bought a voucher.
A voucher for some stuff that may or may not come. If all of it comes the way you hope, you'll save some cash. If some of it comes, you'll break even. If even less comes you'll lose money. You had no promises as to how many DLC would come, or at what price, so it really is just a gamble. Which is fine, your money so do with it as you please, but do owe up to your choices.

If they said:"You'll get 5 DLC worth $40 each, all for $100 if you buy the LEP now." it would have been a voucher. That didn't happen. They could release atmo landings and space legs as two $1 DLC and that would be totally fine, and you'd lose on the gamble. They can charge a million bucks each and you'd have the deal of a lifetime. You dont know, you gambled.
 
I do agree with Ian Skippy the LEP was a bit of a gamble. It should be that we all learned a lesson from it. I didn't I did it again with Plan.Coaster. How ever I have learnt it now.

It doesn't mean that at the time I purchased a full price LEP, I believed that FDev were honest and genuine in their ability to deliver a spectacular product that lived up to my expectations, after all that was what they were hinting at. I didn't fail in buying the LEP, they failed to fulfill their part.

Like I said it's FDev's credibilty they are playing/gambling with in the end.
 
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I do agree with Ian Skippy the LEP was a bit of a gamble. It should be that we all learned a lesson from it. I didn't I did it again with Plan.Coaster. How ever I have learnt it now.

It doesn't mean that at the time I purchase a full price LEP, I believed that FDev were honest and genuine in their ability to deliver a spectacular product that lived up to my expectations, after all that was what they were hinting at. I didn't fail in buying the LEP, they failed to fulfill their part.

Like I said it's FDev's credibilty they are playing with in the end.
The only gamble to paying in advance is that the company may go out of business. This kind of distraction comes up every time the LEP is discussed, it's utter rubbish.
 
Pre-ordering season passes is basically just gambling. Complaining you didnt get what you hoped for is like complaining it ended on red, or complaining the stocks went down. If that uncertainty is something that one finds disturbing, then just buy stuff when it is released.
Yeah, it's their fault for trusting Frontier's word more than a coin toss. ;)
 
I do agree with Ian Skippy the LEP was a bit of a gamble. It should be that we all learned a lesson from it. I didn't I did it again with Plan.Coaster. How ever I have learnt it now.

It doesn't mean that at the time I purchased a full price LEP, I believed that FDev were honest and genuine in their ability to deliver a spectacular product that lived up to my expectations, after all that was what they were hinting at. I didn't fail in buying the LEP, they failed to fulfill their part.

Like I said it's FDev's credibilty they are playing/gambling with in the end.
I think you might have learned the wrong lesson. Credibility suggests you believe FD made a set of promises, and then chooses to either do it or not. More accurate is that they pitch an idea with various layers, and each next layer is less likely to materialize than the previous. Buying the original LEP was basically just a way of saying:"I am pretty sure at least one layer will materialize, and I like the plan, so here is some money from me to help you with it."

It is not a KS where they demo a prototype and just need money for mass production. This is a 'lets see how far we can go!' endeavor, and they can go any which way. With these kinds of projects, barring fraud or some such, it is all about allowing creative people to make a solid effort; nothing more or less. Which is why I personally start by asking whether a company really needs my money to give it a solid punt. With the original ED LEP, yes. Going forward I feel FD has grown to the point they can just self-fund new products and take on the risks themselves. For the same reason I dont buy EA Season Passes or some such.

So from my perspective, you helped start this project, regardless of where it may end eventually. Which is cool! :) From a purely financial perspective it is just a gamble, and a rather low-stakes one at that. When you look at how much ED + Horizon cost with and without LEP, and divide that difference by the numbers of hours played, it is insignificant. If FD releases space legs and atmo as two separate full-cost DLC it will still be (fractions of) cents per hour. To me that isn't really something to get very excited over.
 
I think you might have learned the wrong lesson. Credibility suggests you believe FD made a set of promises, and then chooses to either do it or not. More accurate is that they pitch an idea with various layers, and each next layer is less likely to materialize than the previous. Buying the original LEP was basically just a way of saying:"I am pretty sure at least one layer will materialize, and I like the plan, so here is some money from me to help you with it."

It is not a KS where they demo a prototype and just need money for mass production. This is a 'lets see how far we can go!' endeavor, and they can go any which way. With these kinds of projects, barring fraud or some such, it is all about allowing creative people to make a solid effort; nothing more or less. Which is why I personally start by asking whether a company really needs my money to give it a solid punt. With the original ED LEP, yes. Going forward I feel FD has grown to the point they can just self-fund new products and take on the risks themselves. For the same reason I dont buy EA Season Passes or some such.

So from my perspective, you helped start this project, regardless of where it may end eventually. Which is cool! :) From a purely financial perspective it is just a gamble, and a rather low-stakes one at that. When you look at how much ED + Horizon cost with and without LEP, and divide that difference by the numbers of hours played, it is insignificant. If FD releases space legs and atmo as two separate full-cost DLC it will still be (fractions of) cents per hour. To me that isn't really something to get very excited over.
Agreed. I am disappointed by FDev and their actions though, I thought they were better than that.

Live and learn though, no loss of sleep on my part.
 
Yeah, it's their fault for trusting Frontier's word more than a coin toss. ;)
That is disingenuous of you. If you see a pitch for a game yet to be developed, and buy a 'discount' on presumably multiple DLCs, price unknown, all un-announced with no estimated year or decade of deliver: you are gambling. You may have high hopes, but it is still a gamble. And if you sincerely do not understand that is a gamble, I recommend hiring someone to manage your finances. ;)
 
or loss of future customers being wary of buying their products
Yeah, it's their fault for trusting Frontier's word more than a coin toss. ;)
I find it frustrating how little FDev have communicated on this issue. To offer the choice between one DLC or all DLCs automatically implies there will be more DLCs to come, not that there may be more DLCs to come.

They have lost considerably more than the £80-£85 from my unused LEP value in cosmetic sales, all because they won't talk about it proactively and I feel I've had to chase them for info every time.
 
I find it frustrating how little FDev have communicated on this issue. To offer the choice between one DLC or all DLCs automatically implies there will be more DLCs to come, not that there may be more DLCs to come.

They have lost considerably more than the £80-£85 from my unused LEP value in cosmetic sales, all because they won't talk about it proactively and I feel I've had to chase them for info every time.
Shall I give a little spoiler?

FD doesnt know the future.

They do, however, know that everything they say they want to do will be taken as a promise, and every time they cant deliver people will bring out the pitch forks. This topic is the perfect example. There was a DLC (Horizons). There was a 'free' one (Beyond). They are working on the next one (already communicated). They are not going to communicate about possible DLCs in 2022 or later because they cannot possibly have any reasonable guarantee they can fully deliver any specific aspect. When they are confident something will work, they'll let us know.

And that is the kind of uncertainty people will just have to learn to deal with, really. They said they wanted to do a number of things, they did some of them, they are currently working on some more stuff, and beyond that is anyone's guess.
 
Shall I give a little spoiler?

FD doesnt know the future.

They do, however, know that everything they say they want to do will be taken as a promise, and every time they cant deliver people will bring out the pitch forks. This topic is the perfect example. There was a DLC (Horizons). There was a 'free' one (Beyond). They are working on the next one (already communicated). They are not going to communicate about possible DLCs in 2022 or later because they cannot possibly have any reasonable guarantee they can fully deliver any specific aspect. When they are confident something will work, they'll let us know.

And that is the kind of uncertainty people will just have to learn to deal with, really. They said they wanted to do a number of things, they did some of them, they are currently working on some more stuff, and beyond that is anyone's guess.
It's not a very good way of keeping hold of your player base/community though is it? It may be good business and good for their shareholders, so that's ok then.
 
Shall I give a little spoiler?

FD doesnt know the future.

They do, however, know that everything they say they want to do will be taken as a promise, and every time they cant deliver people will bring out the pitch forks. This topic is the perfect example. There was a DLC (Horizons). There was a 'free' one (Beyond). They are working on the next one (already communicated). They are not going to communicate about possible DLCs in 2022 or later because they cannot possibly have any reasonable guarantee they can fully deliver any specific aspect.

And that is the kind of uncertainty people will just have to learn to deal with, really. They said they wanted to do a number of things, they did some of them, they are currently working on some more stuff, and beyond that is anyone's guess.
They can make good on the LEP in two ways, they can supply the product (their stated, if protracted intention) or offer to reimburse the customers not happy to accept the changed timescale. No hard feelings, the plan changed & it just didn't work out.

Instead the only info we have is a result of customers chasing up progress, and the majority of the bitterness is in the mind of other customers. I have spoken to FDev in person about this, they were extremely conciliatory and apologetic. They don't see it as a lottery ticket at all.
 
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