News Lifetime Expansion Pass Holders - Update!

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rootsrat

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see? comparing horizons value to lep is one such attempt to beg for benefits you are not entitled to.

You will get your value by not paying future updates. Be thankful fd gave you paintjobs for free in addition to it instead.
Can you quote the part where I beg for anything please? I'm just disappointed that after 5 years (!) of development I'm still worse off compared to if I bought the game as separate products.

Try reading with understanding next time? Like this gentleman here:

On the other hand, paid for expansions that were already paid for actually materializing would be rather nice for those who already paid for them.
Spot on.

To be fair, it is a strange age in which we live where people buy things that don't actually exist yet and with no guarantee beyond good intentions that they ever will.
Personally I've had A LOT of trust in Frontier back in a day and was convinced they can deliver.

Not much of that trust is left currently though...
 

rootsrat

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You are not worse off, you still have lifetime free updates. Many vocal lepers use the fact that fdevs are taking a lot of time as an excuse to entitle yourself of other things not in the original deal. That is akin to begging to me.
Again, where did I say I'm entitled to anything extra? That's just your interpretation of my words and it's entirely incorrect.

At this point in time - I am worse off. I paid a 100 quid for something that currently costs 40. I don't know if the 2020 release will happen. I don't know what other expansions are planned after that. Considering the above and three fact it's been 5 years and Elite is what it is - I feel disappointed.

That's all.
 
Its funny after horizons release , we never heard or seen Braben and Brooks again in updates where they would awnser questions.
In particular when horizons was ment to be a 1 year season (Q1 engineers , Q2 guardian, Q3 multicrew and december a big surprise), and engineers got delayed 3 months , the guardian update took another 6 months , multicrew another 9 months and the big surprise for december.

then they stopped the season model in 2016 Early beta testing for backers and LEP holders was canceld after negative feedback on the engineers and CGs that burned out people ..
Then beta testing was open to every one "Backers will still get to Beta test 1 week early before open beta is released" that was realy short lived as there hasnt been a backer exclusive period of testing.

In short 2/3rds of what the backers and LEP holders bought in to at that stage has been removed or canceld in 2016.
We can conclude that frontier wants to kill this game as soon as posible by freezing content and wait for every one to give up.
 
We can conclude that frontier wants to kill this game as soon as posible by freezing content and wait for every one to give up.
Freezing Content?
You mean apart from the 2020 update (which LEP owners get for free) and the ongoing (if smaller than the previous) 3-4 month updates and Interstellar Initiatives?

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You mean apart from the 2020 update (which LEP owners get for no extra cost) and the ongoing (if smaller than the previous) 3-4 month updates and Interstellar Initiatives?

#What_have_the_devs_ever_done_for_us?
 
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Not "we", only "you".

Also, the quoted text is the most silly statement I've read on the forums this year so far :D
Well, you might ask him whether it is true or not that he joined us in September 2017 and was new to the game and the forums then (by his own account). Given the time span involved, I sincerely doubt he is either a backer or a LEP holder until proven otherwise. Complaining just for the sake of complaining? Maybe, but you can rightfully complain only about things that affect you at all. YMMV.

#angryghost

O7,
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Maybe, but you can rightfully complain only about things that affect you at all. YMMV.
I disagree. For example, while I dont have a LEP, if FD would come out tomorrow and say:"Haha lol, from now on we wont release DLC anymore but 'premium content packages' which are not included in the LEP." I will most certainly complain about that on general principle.
 
They can make good on the LEP in two ways, they can supply the product (their stated, if protracted intention) or offer to reimburse the customers not happy to accept the changed timescale. No hard feelings, the plan changed & it just didn't work out.

Instead the only info we have is a result of customers chasing up progress, and the majority of the bitterness is in the mind of other customers. I have spoken to FDev in person about this, they were extremely conciliatory and apologetic. They don't see it as a lottery ticket at all.
Since you got Horizons on your LEP, there is no way you can justify getting a refund. Unless of course you also hand back Horizons and take a cut on your refund for all the time that you were able to enjoy Horizons.

Again, where did I say I'm entitled to anything extra? That's just your interpretation of my words and it's entirely incorrect.

At this point in time - I am worse off. I paid a 100 quid for something that currently costs 40. I don't know if the 2020 release will happen. I don't know what other expansions are planned after that. Considering the above and three fact it's been 5 years and Elite is what it is - I feel disappointed.

That's all.
But you can't use the prices as they stand today as representative for the value you've received. Since you got both parts of the current Elite Dangerous sides (E:D and Horizons) at release, you would have paid the price they were going for at release. Which is 40 pounds for E:D + 30 pounds for Horizons, totalling 70 pounds. So if the next DLC costs more than 30 pounds, you've already saved money.

And can we please stop saying that LEP owners get DLC for free. We get it at no additional cost, which is not the same as free.
 
I disagree. For example, while I dont have a LEP, if FD would come out tomorrow and say:"Haha lol, from now on we wont release DLC anymore but 'premium content packages' which are not included in the LEP." I will most certainly complain about that on general principle.
Not in court.

O7,
🙃
 
snip … (which LEP owners get for free) … snip
Sorry to quote you, no personal pun intended, but...

can we all please agree on the term "which LEP owners get without further payment", or anything similar to that ?

They/we all pre-paid for further content but until today all LEP owners are short of getting expansions/DLCs in at least the value what they paid for, even those who bought it during the KS period for about 50(?) Pounds.
And especially not all those who took the 2nd opportunity later on, around the release of Horizons, paying around 150 Pounds for the LEP (depends on whether they had bought Horizons before or after getting the LEP, didn't look up the exact price tags in BP as I paid in €...)

So all of us are more or less far away from getting anything "for free" here...

My 2 cent...


Edit/P.S.: lol Ninja'd… :D I'm typing too slow...
 
Sorry to quote you, no personal pun intended, but...

can we all please agree on the term "which LEP owners get without further payment", or anything similar to that ?

They/we all pre-paid for further content but until today all LEP owners are short of getting expansions/DLCs in at least the value what they paid for, even those who bought it during the KS period for about 50(?) Pounds.
And especially not all those who took the 2nd opportunity later on, around the release of Horizons, paying around 150 Pounds for the LEP (depends on whether they had bought Horizons before or after getting the LEP, didn't look up the exact price tags in BP as I paid in €...)

So all of us are more or less far away from getting anything "for free" here...

My 2 cent...


Edit/P.S.: lol Ninja'd… :D I'm typing too slow...
Right Right, you're correct about the Free thing;

But the orginal point still stands, they're not putting the game into Maintenance mode until 2020
 
Sorry to quote you, no personal pun intended, but...

can we all please agree on the term "which LEP owners get without further payment", or anything similar to that ?

They/we all pre-paid for further content but until today all LEP owners are short of getting expansions/DLCs in at least the value what they paid for, even those who bought it during the KS period for about 50(?) Pounds.
And especially not all those who took the 2nd opportunity later on, around the release of Horizons, paying around 150 Pounds for the LEP (depends on whether they had bought Horizons before or after getting the LEP, didn't look up the exact price tags in BP as I paid in €...)

So all of us are more or less far away from getting anything "for free" here...

My 2 cent...


Edit/P.S.: lol Ninja'd… :D I'm typing too slow...
First round was IIRC 30 quid.
 
Since you got Horizons on your LEP, there is no way you can justify getting a refund. Unless of course you also hand back Horizons and take a cut on your refund for all the time that you were able to enjoy Horizons.
Any refund would be for the value not redeemed. I bought the LEP instead of buying the Horizons or Horizons Beta DLC. I did explain this earlier in the thread:
I had the choice between paying for just the Horizons beta pack, Just Horizons or the Lifetime Expansion Pass. For all three options I was entitled to a £10 discount because I already owned the base game, I don't remember the exact details but the base game was included in all three options but already owning the base game (which I bought for £39.99 in January 2015) made a difference, possibly that was what got me the Cobra MkIV or the Gold AspX, I don't remember.
 
It was £30 or £35 for LEP first time round, I just paid for extra stuff like the polo shirt, map, npc named after me etc. If I'd just kept with the LEP then I've still got my money's worth. Later pricing maybe not, but as I said earlier, any updates are free for LEP owners. I'm sure the content will come...eventually.
 

rootsrat

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Since you got Horizons on your LEP, there is no way you can justify getting a refund. Unless of course you also hand back Horizons and take a cut on your refund for all the time that you were able to enjoy Horizons.


But you can't use the prices as they stand today as representative for the value you've received. Since you got both parts of the current Elite Dangerous sides (E:D and Horizons) at release, you would have paid the price they were going for at release. Which is 40 pounds for E:D + 30 pounds for Horizons, totalling 70 pounds. So if the next DLC costs more than 30 pounds, you've already saved money.
Ah yes. I forgot they costed more at release, so you are correct. I'm somewhat less disappointed now.

Still, I hoped for more major expansion packs to be released after 5 years.
 
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