News Lifetime Expansion Pass Holders - Update!

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Viajero

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Read the OP maybe? There was an intention to supply something by the end of 2018 that didn't happen.
On the one hand your post mentioned a very general "making good on the LEP" but now you seem to be only specifically referring to some discrete "premium content" that was announced by Zac long after the LEP sales had been discontinued.

I can understand anyone being naturally disappointed with regards to having to wait for those elements of premium content, but I hope you realize no one paid a single dollar for that particular promise made by Zac in 2017. What you paid for was a LEP sold sometime in the period 2012-2015 that very explicitly didnt include a specific timeline at all for any of its elements (including Zac´s).

As mentioned I can understand you may feel dissappointed and it is up to FDEV to decide how to treat that, including refunding you if they so deem apporpriate, but in order to "make good on the LEP" as per the conditions and description when you purchased it they do not really need to. Especially if the new era recently announced is actually delivered.
 
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Yeah, it's a financial term that some people use too loosely. (Not just on video games.) If there's no possibility of return on it, then it's not an investment.
For example: if I had bought FDEV shares back then, that would have been an investment. (A decent one, to boot.) The lifetime expansion pass was a purchase.
It's more than a financial term, though that is the most common context in recent years:

investment
/ɪnˈvɛs(t)m(ə)nt/
noun
noun: investment; plural noun: investments
  1. 1.
    the action or process of investing money for profit.
    "a debate over private investment in road-building"
    synonyms:investing, speculation; More
    expenditure, outlay, funding, backing, financing, underwriting;
    buying shares
    "you can lose money pretty fast by bad investment"
    stake, share, portion, interest, money/capital invested;
    informalante
    "an investment of £305,000"
    • a thing that is worth buying because it may be profitable or useful in the future.
      "freezers really are a good investment for the elderly"
      synonyms:venture, speculation, risk, gamble; More
      asset, buy, acquisition, holding, possession;
      bargain;
      informalflutter, punt
      "I'm satisfied that it's a good investment"
    • an act of devoting time, effort, or energy to a particular undertaking with the expectation of a worthwhile result.
      "the time spent in attending the seminar is an investment in our professional futures"
      synonyms:sacrifice, surrender, foregoing, loss, relinquishment, forfeiture
      "a substantial investment of time and energy"
  2. 2.
    archaic
    the surrounding of a place by a hostile force in order to besiege or blockade it.
 
On the one hand your post mentioned a very general "making good on the LEP" but now you seem to be only specifically referring to some discrete "premium content" that was announced by Zac long after the LEP sales had been discontinued.

I can understand anyone being naturally disappointed with regards to having to wait for those elements of premium content, but I hope you realize no one paid a single dollar for that particular promise made by Zac in 2017. What you paid for was a LEP sold sometime in the period 2012-2015 that very explicitly didnt include a specific timeline at all for any of its elements (including Zac´s).

As mentioned I can understand you may feel dissappointed and it is up to FDEV to decide how to treat that, including refunding you if they so deem apporpriate, but in order to "make good on the LEP" as per the conditions and description when you purchased it they do not really need to. Especially if the new era recently announced is actually delivered.
Sure would be nice for FDev to clarify thing kind of thing, wouldn't it? We are 700 posts and six months into this thread, read the last line of the OP & then click on the dev post link for this thread.
 

Viajero

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Sure would be nice for FDev to clarify thing kind of thing, wouldn't it? We are 700 posts and six months into this thread, read the last line of the OP & then click on the dev post link for this thread.
This thread has diverged in a multitude of different subtopics, some more relevants to the OP than others imho. As per your particular one, to which I responded, I hope that at least you are now better informed to avoid the confusion you were stepping into.
 
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Yeah, it's sad we still discuss the same topics after all those years. Maybe we wouldn't if the last years of development were less disappointing.
Actually the thread has died and been resurrected 3 times in 6 months, many arguments have more traction.
 
Well we can't discuss what's coming as Frontier aren't even giving any clues, let alone any information. The forum is less and less appealing, with frustrations being circulated again and again.
We can still talk about what we've been up to, I recently finished repairing a station for example, and what improvements we'd like to see. FDev could do the same with what they've been working on and what they are hoping to add to improve the game.

I really like the game, I play nearly every day, sometimes for hours at a time. I only want more of it (not less). The sort of communication that went on in 2015 & earlier was fine, the rate of development in 2015 & before was fine.
 
I have a LEP and I think its positive as it is. They sold it for 175€ and you should have at least a small benefit supporting them so early on, so it should be worth a minimum of 5-6 full price expansions. That means, at the current pace, we will have many many years of ongoing support and development to look forward to. :)
 
I really like the game, I play nearly every day, sometimes for hours at a time. I only want more of it (not less). The sort of communication that went on in 2015 & earlier was fine, the rate of development in 2015 & before was fine.
But it's not 2015 and before. I was happy with the communication from 2012 to 2014, but we're both living in the past. Still, I can still happily play the game, but the excitment and enthusiasm that greeted the announcement of ED is mostly long gone.
 
To make a point, that in reality complaining lepers are just trying to get more than promised.
so to make a point about the intentions of people you don't really know, you throw around a cobra 4 which has nothing to do whatsoever with the lep?

please do the honor ...
 
But it's not 2015 and before. I was happy with the communication from 2012 to 2014, but we're both living in the past. Still, I can still happily play the game, but the excitment and enthusiasm that greeted the announcement of ED is mostly long gone.
And so we come back to the subjective question of what is a reasonable timescale.
 
And so we come back to the subjective question of what is a reasonable timescale.
As you say, it's subjective, assuming of course Frontier do have more premium expansions or equivalent in the works. I suppose that's my main concern regarding the LEP, since that's the main reason I bought it.

That being said, at the time it did seem like more premium expansions would be coming out more often, though there wasn't any guarantee of them. I suppose if it comes to the question of a reimbursement of the difference in the meantime and then buying any extra expansions separately in the future, it's a matter between Support and individual customers. Either way though, no terms of sale have actually been broken, just lowered expectations of product fulfillment for some.

Though they're not obligated to do so, I think it would be a reasonable gesture on Frontier's part to offer refunds or reimbursements individually to those who might want them as it was likewise a good faith gesture on the part of their customers who bought the LEP.

For me personally, I'm still in it for the long haul and want the most for and from the game and to continue to enjoy it for many years to come, even though I thought there would be more premium expansions out by now.

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To be clear, the above is just my opinion and speculation. I don't know what Frontier's specific policies regarding these sorts of things are, nor if they even have any.
 
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Well there was the legendary 10 years plan, which if you run from 2012 means there's only a few years left now.
Was there though? [This is a rhetorical forum meta question.]

Actually maybe more than 10 years when all is as per one might hope for according to DB.

It truth, it's kind of a moot point – what is, what could, and what will never be.
 
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