Not sure what your point is... Or why you needed the seemingly pointless childish dig... Oh well...
Live stream format change - Ed
- Thread starter Nutter
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Yeah, like it would make a blind bit of difference if it was a high sec system.
I agree with Nutter, its just beyond a joke. Ed will never git gud at PvP. I'm not sure he has the time or inclination to git gud. He seems to like exploration though, and he excelled at that.
Not everyone plays ED for the combat, and FD's employees should be no different.
ED could do streams in PG.
If they wanted to showcase how stuff plays out in Open, then they should have someone who is good at PvP doing those livestreams.
Not everyone plays ED for the combat, and FD's employees should be no different.
ED could do streams in PG.
If they wanted to showcase how stuff plays out in Open, then they should have someone who is good at PvP doing those livestreams.
Yes...
Yes...
So?
ie: With the event in question, the ganking that took place just underlines the issues with the 3yr old mechanics player in OPEN are trying to make the best of. And (as I implied) this explains why Ed was in a GROUP rather an OPEN...
ps: The fact that here was an event in OPEN, with supposedly one of the biggest revelations in the game ever, with hundreds of CMDRs enjoying the community aspect of it, and... within minutes there's just mindless carnage taking place due to gankers with quite probably nothing more constructive to do... And your poignant(s) comments don't even take into account all the issues this highlights with the game, is interesting. For me it highlights just how vapid PvP gameplay is in ED and much attention it needs. For me it highlights just how vapid C&P (karma) is in ED and much attention it needs. For you it highlights Maia is anarchy?
He does... Eg: Times when being destroyed/ganked pointlessly is not ideal...
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Or before they do what many other companies do when official staff moves about in their games ?
Try as much as scratching a CCP GM in Eve....and enjoy your respawn.
These streams are in part also promotional events, i'd simply "godmode" the people running them and let them fly-swat any disruptive participants, end of.
Since they don't, i have to assume that FD doesn't have a problem with it. And if they don't have a prob with it, why are we getting into each other's hair over it ?
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I said this before a week or two ago but I'm going to repeat it, it's all very well stating "jumping during a stream is boring", or, "missions during a stream are boring", or, "doing alien stuff during a stream is boring" but can some of you please explain to me, (without a 'git gud Ed comment'), just how entertaining you think '3 second fight, 'plodey, rebuy screen, 3 second fight, 'plodey, rebuy screen, 3 second fight, 'plodey, rebuy screen' actually is? It is easily as dull and repetitive as the things you claim are boring, there is no challenge, it is 'rinse and repeat' just as jumping is and it shows virtually nothing off in terms of the whole of Elite Dangerous.
Beyond all that those doing it are extremely selfish, look at it this way, as well as Ed and A.N. Other let's say there are two more Frontier staff involved in bringing us the stream, that's four. Let's be generous and say there are only 200 watching said stream, that's 204 people. What bloody right do 1, 2, 5 or 10 commanders have to disrupt the stream for 204 people? What gives those handful of selfish idiots the right to prevent Frontier from showing us what they want to show and instead all those 204 get to see is '3 second fight, 'plodey, rebuy screen, 3 second fight, 'plodey, rebuy screen, 3 second fight, 'plodey, rebuy screen'? Can you explain to me how in any bloody way it is entertaining or you can 'lulz' at the same repetitive crap happening time after time and stream after stream?
There are a lot of viewers and potential customers out there that want to see what Elite Dangerous has to offer and what they want to show us and discuss during streams and not just the pathetic lulz for the handful. Frontier go to the trouble to put these streams on for the community, not the few, show some bloody respect to them, to the rest of the viewers and stop acting like selfish, spoilt brats.
Beyond all that those doing it are extremely selfish, look at it this way, as well as Ed and A.N. Other let's say there are two more Frontier staff involved in bringing us the stream, that's four. Let's be generous and say there are only 200 watching said stream, that's 204 people. What bloody right do 1, 2, 5 or 10 commanders have to disrupt the stream for 204 people? What gives those handful of selfish idiots the right to prevent Frontier from showing us what they want to show and instead all those 204 get to see is '3 second fight, 'plodey, rebuy screen, 3 second fight, 'plodey, rebuy screen, 3 second fight, 'plodey, rebuy screen'? Can you explain to me how in any bloody way it is entertaining or you can 'lulz' at the same repetitive crap happening time after time and stream after stream?
There are a lot of viewers and potential customers out there that want to see what Elite Dangerous has to offer and what they want to show us and discuss during streams and not just the pathetic lulz for the handful. Frontier go to the trouble to put these streams on for the community, not the few, show some bloody respect to them, to the rest of the viewers and stop acting like selfish, spoilt brats.
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Ed should fly a ship capable of at least escaping the ganks, if he cant, he should let someone who can.
He is showcasing an open world online multiplayer combat(mainly) game, where nasty pilots exist, hostile action should be expected, specially since he is an FDEV employee on top of the fact that he is streaming his location in public. This is the game FDEV wanted, and everything is working as intended.
Why cant he fly an engineered prismatic conda? no mass locks, tough shields, all he needs to do is put 4 pips to shields and press the FSD button after he submits to an interdiction.
WRONG.
Sorry for shouting, but it's just wrong. The vast majority of Elite Dangerous players isn't interested in open world online multiplayer combat at all.
Here's seemingly another of your can't see the wood for the trees statements...
How is it an ideal situation that people need to fly around in "tanks" compromising their enjoyment and fun, just so a minority of individuals can interdict random people, for no reason, to destroy them for no gain/outcome?
Do you not see how poor that proposed situation is? Can you not imagine a game, a) offering more accountabily for mindless (illegal) destruction, and b) more importantly actually offer some meaningful/engaging PvP. Or is the mindless interdiction/destruction of CMDRs for no reason your supposed pinnacle for ED? Can you not envisage more involved and interesting gameplay?
Let's be honest - We're playing in three year old placeholder mechanics/gameplay which aren't really as productive as they could and should be, and worse still allow some pretty toxic activity to take place, all too often with no penalty.
It doesnt matter, the game as it is today is a spaceship shooting game with minor aspects of exploration.
Well, if he is not capable in PVP combat, he should fly a tank and run away.
We are not talking about some hypothetical game that offers accountability for mindless actions etc, we are talking about the current state of the game TODAY, and in Ed's case, he has 2 options: Git Gud in PVP, or fly a shield tank.
What difference will that make. Ed's there to try to demonstrate or show something to the viewers. The stream isn't to display one-sided combat and death week after week after week after week after....
If he flies a tougher ship, he'll simply attract more attackers, it's a no win situation currently.
Someone mentioned earlier how not displaying the rebuy screen deprives the individual their 5 minutes of fame, well it didn't last night as they proceeded to try and troll the chat - badly - as most viewers had already left by then. It's clear from what they were posting that they'd deliberately done it to be nuisance.
The time has come to ban players who this in streams, both from the game and from the youtube feeds if they're stupid enough to turn up baiting for attention.
The game badly needs a co-op/PvE mode, but it seems to be something that the lead devs simply refuse to entertain the idea of.
It's not fair to push players who want this to private groups (or worse, solo) and no matter how good a C+P system gets added - IF it ever gets added - then it doesn't solve the anarchy systems issue (anywhere an explorer will be) or that there's a lot of players, myself included that simply don't want to cross paths with the morons who only play to disrupt others game time.
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It all depends on the rules. FDev could, if they wanted, update the TOS to specifically ban stream sniping.
I know it is true of PUBG, albeit somewhat controversial:
https://www.polygon.com/2017/7/30/16059138/playerunknowns-battlegrounds-stream-sniping-ban
I used to play a bunch of DayZ, and in mods or on private servers, the suspicion of stream sniping was frequently enough to get you banned from servers (won't work in ED).
http://www.pcgamer.com/stream-sniping/
I'm telling Ed that you are calling him out on his video game skills!
Of course, in your mind it isn't the selfish minority that needs to change it is everyone else, PVE'ers should do this, Ed should do that, it's never the Muppets that need to change is it?
There's those trees again!
The PvP combat you refer to being a dedicated combat ship, interdicting another ship flown by a CMDR most likely not interested in combat, not outfitted for PvP outfit, to then be simply blown them up in a one side affair, for in truth no in game reason?
PvP in ED sounds likes it's really progressed in three years, and is in a truly healthy place that shouldn't have any flaws and issues raised regarding it. Keep up the good work...
The game needs to penalise illegal pointless destruction, and offer and orchestrate more meaningful and interesting (legal?) PvP. That's my take on it at least. I'd hoped to see this as part of Powerplay, yet here were are years on still with the same placeholder mechanics... And worse still development effort being thrown at the like of CQC and Multi-Crew which could have maybe have helped this matter instead of seemingly committing buckets of development effort in rather questionable outcomes.
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On the other hand, if only the "victims" would show a tiny little bit more wits than their counterparts, they could use these CGs and the names of these gankers to create their very own block list (and even might share these lists via PM or e-mail). After a while all these disturbers would fly in open without even realising they're actually alone with their sort, basically the initial idea of a "shadow ban".
There's really no need for such an exclusive shadow ban server that was mentioned some time ago, there's in fact even no need for any sort of sophisticated C&P system. It's all in place already and all what's actually needed in the end of the day is a general update of "wits 3.0".
I was under the impression these block lists don't really work?
And again, wouldn't it be better if the game mechanics simply penalised the more toxic PvP activities, and offered, orchestrated and promoted more mutually inclusive and interesting PvP activities?
Blocking reduces the chances of being instanced, that's it. The math behind it is secret.