Live stream format change - Ed
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OPEN's greatest weakness = the griefers.
As long as the *REAL* open lovers will (unwillingly, I admit) defend the griefers, OPEN will be doomed to be a ghetto. Give OPEN a fair karma system and this will become a viable option again AMONGST others. I know I'd play in OPEN if it was FAIR. At the moment, the only way to thrive in this mode is to be a GRIEFER.
Until this get changed, OPEN will be shadow banned territory, noobs gank heaven ... Is that what we want ? Is that what E : D needs ?!
FD, please FIX this.
It should have been fixed since EARLY launch, this is now far BEYOND ridiculous. So fix it and let's MOVE ON, because there are more crucial problems pending.
As long as the *REAL* open lovers will (unwillingly, I admit) defend the griefers, OPEN will be doomed to be a ghetto. Give OPEN a fair karma system and this will become a viable option again AMONGST others. I know I'd play in OPEN if it was FAIR. At the moment, the only way to thrive in this mode is to be a GRIEFER.
Until this get changed, OPEN will be shadow banned territory, noobs gank heaven ... Is that what we want ? Is that what E : D needs ?!
FD, please FIX this.
It should have been fixed since EARLY launch, this is now far BEYOND ridiculous. So fix it and let's MOVE ON, because there are more crucial problems pending.
Its about streamers in general we all deal with this. its not new or upcoming, its been around before I began streaming and will persist once I finish. the point is you have multiple streamers telling you its not an issue, and thats because it isn't the issue is we have Ed who I hate to single out like this, had no god damn idea how to play the game he is meant to be showing off! its been pointed out again and again that the stream would be just boring.
The use of the word "harassment" was used in the context of it being completely malicious, you and I both know thats not the case here, what happend to Ed is part of the streamer life style, the easy fix is to go private, the actual fix is to improve your skill set, its not even hard... some basic understanding of the game will get you out of almost all situations where their is a risk of death.
Again to drive my point home to you, your thing is YouTube, non live videos not streaming... us streamers know the landscape, we know what we are in for and what awaits others, and I can tell you without doubt there is NOTHING you can't overcome using game mechanics, unless you encounter a hacker... you are screwed if you meet a hacker.
Crazy right? tools to fix the issue... or better yet git gud? that tends to work. but hey its easy to simply complain.
No it was not classed as harassment at all! you are taking things way out of context, this was in response to the invasion of private groups hosting charity events and private groups in general, if you stream in OPEN(Ed did) then you are fair game. Simple as that, if you can't take it then leave.
Ok lets got though this post:
"In addition taking action such as seeking out and targeting specific players purely for the purpose of being disruptive, to cause offence, or to upset players within the community can also be considered harassment. A perfect example of this is deliberately attempting to disrupt public livestreams such as the charity ones mentioned before. This includes, but is not limited to, the capturing of footage and releasing it publically in an attempt to create upset or gain notoriety through the actions listed above. "
This is very vague definition tbh. The game allows for killing others without reasons, whether they live stream or not, whether they are devs or not. The above statement contradicts the fundamental game mechanics.
targeting specific players purely for the purpose of being disruptive, to cause offence, or to upset players within the community can also be considered harassment.
so if a player is not upset it is not a harassment? do we need to cater for peoples feelings in the game?
being disruptive
Define disruptive, what others find disruptive might be a regular game play for me, who should win in this case? should I change my game play to cater for others definitions of being disruptive?
the capturing of footage and releasing it publically in an attempt to create upset
So recording ganks/pks and posting it on youtube is considered harassment? I highly doubt it
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And not only what they intend to do about it, but following it up with action
Personnaly, I don't give a damn about FAIR/NOT FAIR.
What I care about is consitency : it this supposed a game with the society in collapse state and barabarian hordes pillaging around,
or is it a far west style quick frontier expansion environnement where bandits can overrun the frontier mining town, but would be quickly
be met withdeadly force in the civilized core, cavalry and gateling guns style.
At the moment, ED is the latter pretending to be the former one. Which leads to : crushed expectation and broken immersion.
Note that most places (95%) in open as fine, and filled with rather pleasant chaps.
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I love that people, who aren't playing in Open have so much to say about what is wrong with it.
Yes. C&P is needed. And I'm very glad that Fdev sees it now. Ed's little adventures can help with it to
No. It's mostly a friendly place and pvpers are a tiny minority. According to polls around 50% of players play in Open, which makes it still the most popular game mode.
Thousands of people "thrive" there and most of them aren't griefers, they aren't even pvpers. I have around 400 hours played and only died once to gankers, despite frequently visiting Engineers, that are a hot spot (but yes, you have to read on how to avoid getting killed and be alert in some places, you also have to actually fit your ships and not just pack them full with cargo racks).
Please, stop with this nonsense.
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You know since we're on the subject, I think Ed and the team could use a change of format for their live streams. Something a bit fresher and more involved than simply having an hour of us watching them play the game. We already play the game, thanks. Do we really need to watch somebody else play the game for us without much else going on? Marketing-wise, there are plenty of Youtubers who post gameplay videos of ED that do a much better job of informing prospective buyer as to what the average player's experience is.
What I would like to see in a livestream:
- Developers talking about the mechanics of their game
- Developers answering questions
- Talking about upcoming features
- Acknowledgement of bugs and things that need fixing and some form of progress report as per the fixes.
- Talking about the things and events happening in the game and what the devs feel about it. Are they happy with 2.4 so far? How was the response towards the CGs compared to how they thought it would be? Etc, etc.
- Community creations corner: a showcase of short clips, videos, gifs and images submitted by players.
Something like this for example:
[video=youtube_share;qTGsXbtnYPs]https://youtu.be/qTGsXbtnYPs[/video]
What I would like to see in a livestream:
- Developers talking about the mechanics of their game
- Developers answering questions
- Talking about upcoming features
- Acknowledgement of bugs and things that need fixing and some form of progress report as per the fixes.
- Talking about the things and events happening in the game and what the devs feel about it. Are they happy with 2.4 so far? How was the response towards the CGs compared to how they thought it would be? Etc, etc.
- Community creations corner: a showcase of short clips, videos, gifs and images submitted by players.
Something like this for example:
[video=youtube_share;qTGsXbtnYPs]https://youtu.be/qTGsXbtnYPs[/video]
That's certainly one of the steps forward but not quite the full tango.
Can you point out to me where in the English language (again: not the language you use in your treehouse!) persistently annoying people is not harassment depending on some arbitrary context you just came up with? I dont believe for a second you genuinely believe that language miraculously changes when you are safely behind your keyboard.
Again: why hide behind this extremely poor rhetorical tricks? I understand why you felt the need to lie about not being a cheater, that stuff is embarrass and instantly disqualifies you as a serious gamer. But being persistently annoying is the one thing you are normally so proud of and wish to share with everyone everywhere as often as possible. Why not just admit that in the English language the word for that is harassment? Its just a fact everyone can check in ten seconds. Definitions of words are not some arcane secret you can debate about. Just be honest mate.If you want you can then make the case that online harassment is cool, and we'll see how that goes.
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Can you point out to me where in the English language (again: not the language you use in your treehouse!) persistently annoying people is not harassment depending on some arbitrary context you just came up with? I dont believe for a second you genuinely believe that language miraculously changes when you are safely behind your keyboard.
If you want you can then make the case that online harassment is cool, and we'll see how that goes.
So when I kill someone in a video game is it murder? the description for murder is to kill another person, each CMDR IS a person... see how this logic plays out?
That's a "git gud" message no matter how polite, some folk, over 40000 now, just don't want to PvP, but you cannot say that in open and hope that commanders will say "Okay bud, fair enough, on your way"; because that's not what happens.
If you dont want PVP stay out of open. 3 modes are equal remember?
Murdering someone in game is murdering someone in game and harassing someone in game is harassing someone in game...
Can you point out to me where in the English language (again: not the language you use in your treehouse!) persistently annoying people is not harassment depending on some arbitrary context you just came up with? I dont believe for a second you genuinely believe that language miraculously changes when you are safely behind your keyboard.
If you want you can then make the case that online harassment is cool, and we'll see how that goes.
Killing players in open mode in a open multiplayer space shooting game is not harassment, its part of the game.
That is not the definition of murder. Murder is the the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. You are not killing a human being in ED. You are annoying human beings. Ed was clearly annoyed. He was also clearly alive. Why is it so incredibly hard for you to accurately describe your own actions?
Yes, there are worse forms of harassment for sure. One could argue its even a trivial form of harassment, a legal one etc. Its still harassment.
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Ed is being the part of wide eyed enthusiastic player. It makes him relate-able to a large part of the player base who are also not engineered up to the eyeballs and have a more casual approach. Him bumbling around is part of the deal. Ed's streams are not meant to be a guide on how to play the game. They are about a regular player encountering the game stuff going: 'Wow!"
Ring ding-a-ding!
You continue to make this about you, and about me and even about gameplay. That's fine if you want to go that direction.
Look, I really don't have an argument with you and it may surprise you, but I don't have a problem with your playstyle. My focus is on the subject of what Frontier's policy on the matter is. In 2016 Zac classed a variation of these actions as "harassment" (his definition, not mine). I'm after clarification if Frontier still see things in this way, and if so - does it extend to regularly blowing up Frontier staff (and other streamers). And if they come back and say "We don't see this as harassment, and it is not against our T&C's" then fine. Have at it, and keep going!
So just to clarify, my issue isn't with you or your actions (and I've never had a problem with your actions or SDC's - in fact you have made me laugh more than once). Like others, I just want to know where Frontier stand on this. Quite simple.
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