Correct.
Continously going out of one's way to mess with someone else's live stream every time they do a live stream is a form of harrassment though.
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Continously going out of one's way to mess with someone else's live stream every time they do a live stream is a form of harrassment though.
Thread is a bit TLDR. Did Ed reply in it?
Its vague.
Continuously? how many times justifies it to be called "Continuously"? 1? 10? Once per day?
If you are broadcasting in open, you are advertising your location, its part of the game for you to be targeted, its not against the game rules or TOS, and its not a harassment, its part of the open multiplayer space shooting game aspect.
He did elsewhere, basically saying that he draws more aggro due to it being a stream, and an official one at that. No other comments AFAIK.
You continue to make this about you, and about me and even about gameplay. That's fine if you want to go that direction.
Look, I really don't have an argument with you and it may surprise you, but I don't have a problem with your playstyle. My focus is on the subject of what Frontier's policy on the matter is. In 2016 Zac classed a variation of these actions as "harassment" (his definition, not mine). I'm after clarification if Frontier still see things in this way, and if so - does it extend to regularly blowing up Frontier staff (and other streamers). And if they come back and say "We don't see this as harassment, and it is not against our T&C's" then fine. Have at it, and keep going!
So just to clarify, my issue isn't with you or your actions (and I've never had a problem with your actions or SDC's - in fact you have made me laugh more than once). Like others, I just want to know where Frontier stand on this. Quite simple.
Right but you apply the classification to an event that as described in the statement put out by Frontier itself its completely fine, the entire statement boils down to this:
IF player is in Private group or Private group charity stream THEN apply punishment to offending player
The even we are all talking about does not follow the above logic, this is what was meant when Zac put that statement out, now if Frontier should amend their stance on stream sniping is another question worth asking instead of attempting to warp the current statement to the current context that following said statement proves there is nothing wrong here.
You also keep saying I am making this about me, its got nothing to do with me or SDC the guy that keeps shooting down Ed is not SDC, the point being made is that we have multiple members including yourself claiming this is harassment when its not, if it was I would have over 100 players banned solely on the basis I am being harassed.
Ed just needs to have a mod-sidewinder to run around in - put a pair of station turrets on it set to Fire At Will, and an oversided prismatic shield. Would make for some great laughs when Open knobs bother him and go poof.
Whatever the discussion about legalities is valid or not, at the end of the day if someone turns on a FDev stream to see an activity demo'ed (for example to see how to do a rare trade CG) and it's disrupted, then the viewer's time is wasted.
Before someone says "yeah but CGs are dangerous, so it shows it's dangerous, and learn how to evade", i'd argue that could be a different stream, on evasion etc, but if a specific stream has a theme, then that theme should be the primary focus.
Before someone says "yeah but CGs are dangerous, so it shows it's dangerous, and learn how to evade", i'd argue that could be a different stream, on evasion etc, but if a specific stream has a theme, then that theme should be the primary focus.
We have a constant flow of rant threads on these forum about how much this game need fixes and more features but when devs try to promote it by streaming they get ganked and stream snipped.
Sounds counter productive, doesn't it ?
Sounds counter productive, doesn't it ?
I agree with you that it is vague. My definition would be: that if the same guy always comes to gank Ed everytime Ed is doing a live stream through 3 or more consequitive streams then that's pretty much a harrassment of Ed. However, I don't think my opinion on this matters much and neither do any others. It is Frontier's opinion that ultimately matters since it is their game, their rules.
I'm not sure, but I think it proves that waiting for 3 years (and counting) for consequences to be implemented has been a wrong decision, and priorities should be changed.
I know, I know, just wait for it, it's coming.
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ahah! watching Ed jump to his destination for an hour is fun?! only to find he went to the wrong station and how has to use out of game tools to find the actual station to go to?! get real.
Fair enough. Besides, you expressed far better than I could do with my poor English what I thought.
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I hope someone in charge will read your post my friend.
It is not vague and it certainly does not contradict the game, it really is simple if you are playing purely with the intention of being disruptive etc you are in violation of Frontier's own rules, not mine, not the 'forumdads', Frontier's
For gods sake, don't be so evasive and pedantic, 'purely for the purpose' is key here, again, if you are being a deliberate duck hunt to others you are in violation of FRONTIER'S rules.
Of course, but honestly PVP'ers that are streaming out looking for PVP aren't going to moan about PVP happening in their streams are they? - as Frontier say 'context is key'.
Take it up with Frontier, it's their wording.
Fortunately for some commanders Frontier don't seem to enforce their rules in these cases as with many other things.
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Ah ha, my point exactly (tears lost in a rain of comments) - (jump, scoop) x 50 - how does this make for an engaging livestream?