Live stream format change - Ed

[ALGOMATIC]

As with ALGOMATIC, you seem to have finished the game so go and do something else - play another game, read a book, go out, print yourself a medal with "I'm the bestest ED player" on it and show people in your locality - anything to stop bothering those that are still playing.

I am also still playing, within the game rules btw, killing other players in open world multiplayer space shooting (exploration/trading) game. Enjoying myself, I am not telling you how to play, but I expect it to be the same the other way around.

 

[xzanfr]

Sadly mate, as much as you and I want more from this game it's not going to be forthcoming - The stall has been set and we've got what we've got.
There's no point in ruining things for others that are still enjoying the game, so bored players need to just move on.

 

[Viking84]

Sadly mate, as much as you and I want more from this game it's not going to be forthcoming - The stall has been set and we've got what we've got.
There's no point in ruining things for others that are still enjoying the game, just move on.

This, so much this. I can understand your frustration if you are a combat player, and no longer find any challenge in the AI. But deliberately making other peoples days worse, for no other reason than to entertain yourself in a game speaks volumes about your attitude towards others. Yes you are playing within the rules, yes you are pointing out flaws in the games design, but does that make it OK?

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

You have an interesting understanding of marketing.

I was in fact in my professional life once told by someone in marketing to stop giving them technical details as it hampered them in crafting the story they wanted to tell. "marketing should reflect the true state of the game" << that's just about the opposite of what marketing is...

Way to miss the point I was making (hint: read my subsequent posts )

 

[stripealipe]

This, so much this. I can understand your frustration if you are a combat player, and no longer find any challenge in the AI. But deliberately making other peoples days worse, for no other reason than to entertain yourself in a game speaks volumes about your attitude towards others. Yes you are playing within the rules, yes you are pointing out flaws in the games design, but does that make it OK?

Look... as has been said before, the man in question, Ed, streams live in Open. Yet, he's not prepared, his ship is not even remotely capable and he's not even remotely in control of his own ship lol.. so what happens?! He should know better, not be upset, learn and carry on. He just made himself an easy target and that's plain stupid. We don't need to go into the details of the how or why here.

 

[xzanfr]

Viking84 is quite right.
As mentioned several times in this thread, the big issue with this game are end players ruining things for new players, both in game and in the streams because there is nothing else for them to do.
Ed is there to demonstrate the game to new & old players alike so if endgamers can't leave the streams alone, move on & play something else then Ed needs to showcase the game in a mode that excludes them. That will also enable the game modes to be showcased, which is a huge positive for Elite Dangerous.

Of course, bored endgames could simply clear their save and enjoy the journey all over again - they may even benefit from the streams they previously disrupted.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Viking84 is quite right.
As mentioned several times in this thread, the big issue with this game are end players ruining things for new players, both in game and in the streams because there is nothing else for them to do.
Ed is there to demonstrate the game to new & old players alike so if endgamers can't leave the streams alone, move on & play something else then Ed needs to showcase the game in a mode that excludes them. That will also enable the game modes to be showcased, which is a huge positive for Elite Dangerous.

Maybe he should "git gud", grind, engineer and learn to evade the attackers, by showing how good he is in a game his company created, and by showing new / old players how to play? Its all part of the game he is promoting.

 

[Jukelo]

The problem with PvP in this game is that it makes no sense in the context of the setting. A very large portion of the cost of your ship is paid for by the Pilots' Federation in the form of insurance if it's destroyed (or a completely free sidewinder if you can't afford anything).

In no way imaginable in any actual scenario would the Pilots' Federation continue to enable a pilot who repeatedly bites into their bottom line by constantly blowing up other sponsored pilots (in the form of having to constantly pay out insurance claims).

At some point the Pilots' Federation should realize that CMDR PeeVeePee has a bad habit of causing the PF to pay other pilots' insurance. CMDR PeeVeePee would find themselves out of the organization in pretty short order, losing all the benefits that entails (e.g. insurance & free sidewinders).

If you have a habit of getting into car accidents in real life, pretty soon you're going to find that your insurance company is dropping you because you're a threat to their profits.

But as for the topic of the thread:
I tried to watch a few streams but once I realized Ed would never accomplish his goal and was instead just going to be repeatedly blastered, I lost all interest and haven't cared to watch any since.

IMO that looks more like an argument in favor of removing insurance coverage for those losing their ship a lot as ultimately they are the ones being careless and taking their ships into dangerous situations they can't handle.
But I'd be happy to meet you in the middle and remove the PF insurance mechanic for everyone.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Maybe he should "git gud", grind, engineer and learn to evade the attackers, by showing how good he is in a game his company created, and by showing new / old players how to play? Its all part of the game he is promoting.

What makes you think he has the time? He has vastly more to do than just play games.

 

[xzanfr]

Maybe he should "git gud", grind, engineer and learn to evade the attackers, by showing how good he is in a game his company created, and by showing new / old players how to play? Its all part of the game he is promoting.

I (and presumably others) want to see Ed discussing other facets of the game & its design, and not just focusing on combat.

We're going round in circles now, ALGOMATIC. As mentioned before, go and play a game more aligned with your combat only requirements or clear your save - you've finished this game and won it - congratulations! - i'd make you a certificate it I could be bothered*

*I can't

 

[Macros Black]

It's not my place to tell or even suggest how Ed should perform his Senior Community manager job showcasing one of the best space games ever made in the history of mankind by getting himself and guests blown to smithereens at almost every single show again, again and again.

It does however seem, at times, that the preparation for the show could improve a bit, e.g. selecting the right type of ship, have the best possible outfitting, have ambushes at the ready and small matters like landing at a station in the bubble after a trek from Colonia in the unlikely event that your ship quite unexpectedly are consigned to the void. Small things like that could probably enhance the stream for all our viewing pleasures.

Just m2c.

 

[sovapid]

What makes you think he has the time? He has vastly more to do than just play games.

If he can't, he should get someone who does.

Although I'd really like to see Ed git gud, or at least git decent.

 

[Theodrid]

In this particular case, Frontier does not run YouTube, so you're free to take and post all the video there you like, even name-and-shame and commit blasphemy and heresy at the same time, and there's nothing Frontier can do about that. But they can and will stop you from posting or linking it here.

Well duh!, I was referring to their own forums in the main.(though in fairness I didn't make that clear).

 

[Fendalton]

Stream Sniping will never stop. Hell look at Shrouds stream, every 100 player match, a good 30-40 people are stream sniping him jumping into his games.

People just need to learn how to high wake away. Pure PvP ships have horrible jump ranges. People fight interdiction and lose which puts a 1 minute cooldown on your FSD. ALWAYS best to submit and jump to next system.

It's like people still don't know that High Waking isn't affected by other ships around you.

 

[c3shooter]

I'm glad I saw this thread...

Ed has held an amazing attitude to the couple players that have been hounding him, and I agree it is amusing sometimes, however after the last stream I watched, (warned when in a DBX) even he was y. I must say it is somewhat frustrating to watch, I am there to watch him and the guest relay information, not take all their concentration to avoid a bloodbath.

Although the timing for me is bad when this livestream is boradcast, I (meant to, and now make it official) offer my services to wing up and protect him so he can finish whatever he is doing.

Ed if you are reading this, and are interested, let me know. I'll kit out a ship just for it, let me know where you will start, and the start time, and I'll shadow you.

 

[Fendalton]

I would much rather watch Ed play on a Dev server with new features, even if they're broken, than watch him jump 15 times to the bubble from Maya for an hour.

 

[Frankymole]

We are reading that statement in different ways then. I'm not saying your interpretation is wrong either, but it's not how I read it.

Is there really anything wrong with asking Frontier for official clarification here on the forum? If they say you have the right of it - then all is well and good.

What's the point in arguing with CMDR Harry Potter? We all know his reputation.

 

[anikaiful]

Ed streams what he streams. If he's uncomfortable with the situation, he changes it (or then not). What impression it all gives about the game is upto never ending (usually heated) debate - with just one arbiter, FDev - if they're okay with as how things are represented, then that's it. If not, then they'll adjust.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

Stream Sniping will never stop. Hell look at Shrouds stream, every 100 player match, a good 30-40 people are stream sniping him jumping into his games.

People just need to learn how to high wake away. Pure PvP ships have horrible jump ranges. People fight interdiction and lose which puts a 1 minute cooldown on your FSD. ALWAYS best to submit and jump to next system.

It's like people still don't know that High Waking isn't affected by other ships around you.

Some games ban for stream sniping. In ED's case, his location was tracked and the person who did it only had one intention. If a group is continually doing this then they are going to be in breach of the rules regarding harassment.

It's also not as simple as just "High Waking" either. The imbalance between end game, fully engineered ships has broken the game for players who are new or who just want to fly any other ship than just the OP combat toys. Wings, Engineers and the actions of some players pretty much killed Open....it's sad but true.

I'd also add that when it comes to an Official streams, anyone planning to interfere with it, and especially if it's about teaching new players or trying to showcase new elements of the game then they should be off limits to those who would try to disrupt it.

Solutions have been offered but ultimately, FD just have to start stopping the rot as it's damaging the game.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Some games ban for stream sniping. In ED's case, his location was tracked and the person who did it only had one intention. If a group is continually doing this then they are going to be in breach of the rules regarding harassment.

It's also not as simple as just "High Waking" either. The imbalance between end game, fully engineered ships has broken the game for players who are new or who just want to fly any other ship than just the OP combat toys. Wings, Engineers and the actions of some players pretty much killed Open....it's sad but true.

I'd also add that when it comes to an Official streams, anyone planning to interfere with it, and especially if it's about teaching new players or trying to showcase new elements of the game then they should be off limits to those who would try to disrupt it.

Solutions have been offered but ultimately, FD just have to start stopping the rot as it's damaging the game.

Except stream sniping in ED is the same as just killing other players in open, its part of the game and they agreed to it when they chose open mode. There is nothing they can or should do, its not against the rules.