Logging During Combat Punishment [Proposal]
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All of the above... ofc, that would involve effort, some would just rather pin the tail on someone/thing else and cry wolf (or cry nerf & ban everyone/thing in this case).
I hope you realize some of these agree with my point of view, like Obsidian Ant's and Vindicator Jones's videos. Just because it's news doesn't stop it from being a non-issue. Look at Donald Trump's tweets!
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My first sentence is not an ad hominem. The way that you worded your OP made it seem that there was a bias present. If that is not the case, or at least not your intent, then you have my apologies. It seemed to me that there was a pro-PvP bias in your OP and that was my way of pointing it out.
You assume too much. FDev does not have any way to detect the difference between a task kill, connection error, or anything else that could happen. Welcome to P2P architecture. You clearly are not familiar with it. With the way that this game is designed, detecting these things are practically impossible.
Your examples are attempted anti-griefing measures. If those weren't in place, it would be all to easy for someone to prevent another player from landing at a station. Players could easily destroy other players at stations, over and over again. Its called spawn camping, and these measures are intended to prevent it.
The in game bounty boards? Don't make me laugh. No one bothers with player bounties because of suicidewinders, and the fact that the players who have those bounties don't believe in a fair fight. Not to mention instancing issues making hunting them an exercise in futility. Vindicator Jones mentioned as much in his video. Why? because it is true.
The devs have called combat logging an exploit because it was inconvenient for them. The way they built this game left a gaping hole, and they call it an exploit to try to cover up that glaring flaw. The flaw being that they can't really do anything about this issue without going all the way back to square one. The entire game would have to be re-developed practically from scratch.
On the other thread, if they didn't investigate those claims of combat logging, which were designed to be factual, why would we be able to reasonably expect them to investigate other claims? Answer: we can't. There is no method for detection, and with how this game is built, there may never be one. Fdev can't take action with these claims because it is a case of he said/she said. The words of two conflicting people does not fly in court, and people are considered innocent until PROVEN guilty (at least in the US, I am assuming that the UK system is similar in that regard). Given that proof is practically impossible to provide, FDev can't do anything about it.
On your last two paragraphs. Finally, something that sounds like a good idea. If PvP combat became a a non-penalyzing activity, that would be a step in the right direction, but you have to consider that griefers would exploit that system by killing the same commander over and over again. I myself have put forward a plan for an Open PvE mode. In that mode, the only thing you could fire at another player would be fuel transfer limpets. Everything else would either do no damage or simply wouldn't fire at all.
Easy now Mr Error. Just adding my take on the matter. Do I exist? check Am I insane? I will let you be the judge on that matter.
This is fun! 
Easy now Mr Error. Just adding my take on the matter. Do I exist? check Am I insane? I will let you be the judge on that matter.
Ooh, but what if *he* doesn't exist or happens to be insane? [hehe]
That's not evidence. No one admits to being a griefer.
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Are you even sane? You must be willfully missing "the evidence".
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When you press Open you accept this can happen to you. If someone combat logs, they cheat. Sorry the truth hurts
Show me evidence of a non griefer being clogged on, and that person's game being affected negatively, and I'll eat my hat.
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I'm 100% sure I might be insane.
Rinzler o7o7o7
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Pretty sure these guys do. vv
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Oh and, bon appetit.
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You won't find a solution for this little "problem" as long as players are being forced to "take part" in no fair play. "Taking part" often means nothing else than to wait for the sure death, unable to stand the fight as a explorer, as a trader or as a new pilot in a small vessel. Frontier wants us to do a "sportsmanlike" fair play. But when they force players being cannon fodder for others you won't get rid of your little logging problem. That's all about it.
Rinzler o7o7o7
Banned
The most notorious newbie-killer gets hunted down by AA constantly, but always combat logs to escape his rebuy. He's still in Eravate killing newbies to this day.
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"You are not forced to take part. I'm not forced to take part. No-one is forced to take part in anything. Just don't press open if you don't want to risk taking part in something you do not want to take part in."
Okay. Don't feel forced to attack other players who will not be able to defend nor press "open" when you feel forced to loose your target by attacking players who will not be able to stand the fight. =P
Okay. Don't feel forced to attack other players who will not be able to defend nor press "open" when you feel forced to loose your target by attacking players who will not be able to stand the fight. =P
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It all goes back again to the same point over and over, the main point if you want to solve this problem is how you are going to let the people who are getting killed keep playing the game while it is very costly, you cannot simply say " Dont allow people to log out from the game while i am shooting them", you are talking about player same as you payed to enjoy their own vision of game play, even tho the game give you few seconds of delay to prevent annoying log out, you have to be logical, cheating is cheating and you should be band if you did, but logging out is a function already in the game.
And even if we stayed in this conversation forever we still cannot propose and idea that is in benefit of a party against a party, BUT we can fine a salutation that makes money is more easy to do and most importantly in a group, new players don't know what to do and believe me some of them took a month to earn 500k.
Groups and clans that are implemented (the communications in the clan within the game ) will help every one, and if the the game gets more cooperative then we might say something.
And even if we stayed in this conversation forever we still cannot propose and idea that is in benefit of a party against a party, BUT we can fine a salutation that makes money is more easy to do and most importantly in a group, new players don't know what to do and believe me some of them took a month to earn 500k.
Groups and clans that are implemented (the communications in the clan within the game ) will help every one, and if the the game gets more cooperative then we might say something.
Please, someone wake me up when these threads finally start to produce something worth mentioning.
I´ll go back to sleep.
I´ll go back to sleep.