That is fan art and not canon...
Lore questions. :)
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That is fan art and not canon...
Folks, after the reception I received on another thread I'm not going to regularly visit these forums from now on. If you'd like to ask lore questions, please feel to drop in on my Elite Dangerous stream, Thursdays at 8pm GMT/UTC over at https://twitch.tv/drewwagar
You'll be more than welcome and I'll do my best to answer any questions that crop up.
All the best and right on, Commanders. o7
Cheers,
Drew.
You'll be more than welcome and I'll do my best to answer any questions that crop up.
All the best and right on, Commanders. o7
Cheers,
Drew.
Actually it was the behaviour of one of the mods to be honest. I don't mind battling obstinate and entrenched thinking (for a bit anyway), but partisan moderation I wasn't expecting. I'll stick with a medium where I can retain some control. Folks can vote with their feet (or their clicks). 
However, the Lore Tour is looking good and I'm in the midst of prepping for it. If you want to join it in game, look up CMDR Drew Wagar and add as a friend/group. Should be good fun. Already 406 members and going up fast.
This will be the final 'Elite Dangerous' thing I do, so a bit of a farewell tour too, would be good to have your company.
Details here > https://www.drewwagar.com/announcements/elite-dangerous-lore-tour/
Cheers,
Drew.
However, the Lore Tour is looking good and I'm in the midst of prepping for it. If you want to join it in game, look up CMDR Drew Wagar and add as a friend/group. Should be good fun. Already 406 members and going up fast.
This will be the final 'Elite Dangerous' thing I do, so a bit of a farewell tour too, would be good to have your company.
Details here > https://www.drewwagar.com/announcements/elite-dangerous-lore-tour/
Cheers,
Drew.
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Don't let the trolls* win, just block them using the ignore feature. Nobody takes them seriously anyway.
As for Twitch, I don't have an account and am not interested in signing up for yet another 3rd party tool to play ED. Is this going to be required to take part in your tour? Is there any way possible you can stream from Twitch and YouTube simultaneously, or is that too complicated? If the latter, does somebody else have the means to restream your Twitch feed to YouTube (assuming you approve)? Heck, I'd settle for a simple audio stream, I just want to be able to hear the commentary as I'm flying around, but I don't think Twitch is going to work for me.
* which includes a couple of moderators, sadly enough.
Actually it was the behaviour of one of the mods to be honest. I don't mind battling obstinate and entrenched thinking (for a bit anyway), but partisan moderation I wasn't expecting. I'll stick with a medium where I can retain some control. Folks can vote with their feet (or their clicks).
However, the Lore Tour is looking good and I'm in the midst of prepping for it. If you want to join it in game, look up CMDR Drew Wagar and add as a friend/group. Should be good fun. Already 406 members and going up fast.
Details here > https://www.drewwagar.com/announcements/elite-dangerous-lore-tour/
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Cheers,
Drew.
Who moderates the moderators??
A sad day when the only remaining person with any lore experience disappears from the forums!
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I don't think you need to sign up for Twitch in order to watch a stream. However, you cannot post important observations and cat emoticons into the Twitch chat without creating an account. These things can be very important. It's amazing how many video games have bears for example. Innumerable Twitch streamers die every day from bear attacks in video games, and it is your duty to warn them whenever an imminent danger from a bear is present.
I don't think you need to sign up to twitch to watch it, only to post in the chat etc. I'll investigate joint streaming to youtube, and the recording will be available on youtube after the event.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, indeed!
Cheers,
Drew.
Dumb Twitch app for iPhone requires an account to do anything (including view), but perhaps website will allow me to listen to stream without an account. I'll be in VR, so I don't need it to access chat - I won't even be able to "watch" the stream live, just listen, on days I'm able to participate. Speaking of, keep that in mind Drew when broadcasting, as some people may depend on your verbal descriptions to find POIs. A "just look at my nav panel in the video" won't help those of us in VR.
Ozric
Volunteer Moderator
Excuse me, but I don't like this comment. Moderators have always been allowed to express their own opinions as you should well know having been here from the beginning. Moderators are also not allowed to moderate threads that they are participating in. So while you may not have liked what this mod said to you (though I thought the conversation between the two of you was the most reasoned out of the ones you got), saying that it was partisan moderation is unfair.
When we post in threads in any capacity other than enforcing the rules we are just like any other user on these forums. And the amount of work we do behind the scenes to keep threads such as the one you posted in at a reasonable level of civility, is very easily undermined by casual throwaway comments like this.
Ah, sorry to hear that.
Haven't read the thread in question, so can't really comment with authority on the particulars of anything that was said.
For what it's worth though, I wouldn't take it to heart. You kind of walked in to the equivalent of an already heated domestic. Tempers were already high.
Personally, I’d already ended up deleting Discord the other weekend just to retain some healthy separation after it spilled over into your channel.
(That was after having spent ages on the forums trying to talk through things in a sensible and reasonable manner by that point, all of which was prior to the posting of the forum discussions you joined.)
Point being, don’t treat the reaction to things you said as though it’s purely a reaction to what you said in isolation. Rather consider it in the context that what you said would probably be seen as part of something, and that you will have had a reaction to the overall thing, not just to what you said if it was just that on its own.
Hope that helps take the edge of things a bit.
Also, if I might make an alternative suggestion to leaving the forums - just disregard Dangerous Discussions for a while. It’s pretty much the worst part of the forums, particularly as it’s where all the discussions about out-of-game matters take place. Other areas tend to be much more pleasant.
Hope you won’t be away too long, either way. o7
Disclaimer, for others reading this
The above is not an attempt to ascribe blame as to the origins of the situation in question. It’s merely a description of the general state of things, including the temperament around the subject at the point where Drew got involved in the forum discussions. It’s also not an attempt to excuse any out of order behaviour, rather it’s an attempt to reduce the impact of any such behaviour on the person on the receiving end.
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While what you say has merit, I'd like to point out two things. First, moderators keep their "badge" regardless of whether they are moderating or participating as "normal civilians". If an off-duty cop comes up to me in the grocery store, badge on hip, and says, "I really don't like that hat you are wearing", it will come across as way more intimidating than if it were just some stranger.
Second, moderators "should know well" the rules of the forum and be above approach when it comes to things like discussing the post rather than the poster, a line which the moderator in question walked dangerously close to when accusing Drew of expressing his opinion for monetary gain. Now if he had actual evidence of this, then that would have been one thing, but to basically "make stuff up" based on pure speculation, stuff that might be considered libel in a more official written venue (unlike most of us, Drew goes by his real name in the forum), that behavior is unbecoming of a moderator.
Ozric
Volunteer Moderator
I'm not going to get drawn into a conversation about how you interpreted the post, and derail Drew's thread in the process. But I will say the badge being permanently on is a side effect of the new forum, and one which the moderators would change if we were able.
Its a shame you feel the need to back away from this forum, as outside of a few er... 'characters' its half decent and dare I say, sane on the whole. Either way good luck with the livestreams and lore questions- one day the Club will be outed
I mean no offence to you or the moderator team. I'm sure it's a horrible job. However, I was on the forum to talk about Galnet, Lore and Narrative in a thread which bore my name in the title. My motives for doing so were questioned by a moderator and I was, tacitly, accused of commenting for the sake of self-publicity and monetary reward. I think that's unreasonable.
If the moderators are going to do that, then they are at liberty to do so. I am at liberty to take umbridge at that behaviour (which I consider poor form for a moderator) and go elsewhere - hopefully proving that I'm not doing anything for self-promotion and, as an unfortunate but minor side-effect, denying the wider forum any of my future Elite related ramblings.
The moderator team may wish to reconsider their approach. I'll leave it with you, I do not intend to post here again. For those who are interested in merely discussing lore, narrative and Elite Dangerous rather than throwing around thinly veiled accusations, you can find me on twitter, facebook, twitch and youtube as per the links in my signature below.
Kind regards,
Drew.
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Ozric
Volunteer Moderator
That's fine and I don't hold it against you, and I can understand why you would probably not like it. The issue you have though is with the user, not with partisan moderation. Because a fair amount of moderation was actually done in your favour
How dare you think you can join the conversation in such a thread. The cheek of it!
