Make dinosaur size more accurate

[Dinoken]

Makes me concerned for the giganotosaurus as they pretty much ruined spinosaurus by making it smaller than the T-rex. T-rex didnt become more than 12.2m long at the largest and the spino was supposed with the most recent numbers hit 15 meters atleast. Giganotosaurus's length was estimated to be 14.3 m long. So i am fully expecting them to make it larger than the T-rex.

Well - you should be. But here is why - First off - the 14.3 meters estimate for Giganotosaurus is old and outdated - general considered to be an over exaggeration. As is the claims of the skull being about 1.8 meters long. More modern measurements have the largest specimen being about 13.2 meters long/43 feet. According to Scott Hatman's models of the Sue - (the largest known specimen of T.rex) and the largest known specimen of Giganotosaurus - while the Giganotosaurus is slightly longer - 13.2 meters vs. 12.3 meters, but the T.rex is heavier at 8.4 metric tons vs. 8.2 metric tons.

Sorry I should have shared the link I was looking at:

http://jurassicworld-evolution.wikia...ki/Spinosaurus

I know that 18m is the real life MAXIMUM estimate to what it could have been (with 14-15m being the more realistic estimation like you said) but it seemed odd that would be the size listed in the wiki for the game is all.

Well I have no problems with the 11 ton estimate - except that it is more befitting a 14-15 meter long Spinosaur than an 18 meter long Spinosaurus. An 18 meter long Spinosaurus would likely weight about 20 tons. A 14-15 meter long Spinosaurus also makes sense - if the Indominus rex is suppose to be the largest carnivorous dinosaur in the series at 14.9-15.24 meters/49-50 feet long,

 

[kjasnksir]

I posted all of this in another topic that diverged to the Spinosaurus size issue. I'll post it here as well because, after all, this is the right topic for this discussion.
People claim the JP3 Rex was a sub-adult becase it was small but you won't find any source that actually says that. The Jurassic Park 3 script explicitly says it whas a full grown Bull Tyranosaurus. Look it up:
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Jurassic-Park-III.html

Now, several licensed material for Jurassic World claim the Tyrannosaurus was 40ft long and in the Stan Winston School of Character Arts it says the Rexy/Roberta animatronic from Jurassic Park is nearly 40ft long :
https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/bl...-size-dinosaur
http://islanublar.jurassicworld.com/...nnosaurus-rex/
http://www.jurassicworld.com/intel/d...annosaurus-rex


This is a simple size comparison I made for the JP3 Rex, the JP3 Rex upscaled to 40ft long, and the JP3 Spinosaurus:
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....984/A4E97C537996A591A8BD82D8D2A159B871CC42D3/

Even compared to a 40ft long Rex, the Spinosaurus is considerably bigger. Compare the size of their skulls, then go and watch the vídeo where they fight. There's a moment when the Spinosaurus turns around to face off the Rex. At one point, their faces are in front of each other and so close their snouts clip through each other. The Spino's skull actually seems to be shorter then the Rex's, when it should be considerably longer. That gives an idea of how undersized it is. Some claim it was big and powerful in JP3 because it was a hybrid, but the documents that say it went through genetic tampering never say what traits were changed and how. Until that happens, the JP3 Spinosaurus is the reference Spinosaurus for the franchise. It clearly is bigger then even the largest Rex in the franchise, as it was intended to be in JP3 in the first place.

 

[Kikke]

I posted all of this in another topic that diverged to the Spinosaurus size issue. I'll post it here as well because, after all, this is the right topic for this discussion.
People claim the JP3 Rex was a sub-adult becase it was small but you won't find any source that actually says that. The Jurassic Park 3 script explicitly says it whas a full grown Bull Tyranosaurus. Look it up:
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Jurassic-Park-III.html

Now, several licensed material for Jurassic World claim the Tyrannosaurus was 40ft long and in the Stan Winston School of Character Arts it says the Rexy/Roberta animatronic from Jurassic Park is nearly 40ft long :
https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/bl...-size-dinosaur
http://islanublar.jurassicworld.com/...nnosaurus-rex/
http://www.jurassicworld.com/intel/d...annosaurus-rex


This is a simple size comparison I made for the JP3 Rex, the JP3 Rex upscaled to 40ft long, and the JP3 Spinosaurus:
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....984/A4E97C537996A591A8BD82D8D2A159B871CC42D3/

Even compared to a 40ft long Rex, the Spinosaurus is considerably bigger. Compare the size of their skulls, then go and watch the vídeo where they fight. There's a moment when the Spinosaurus turns around to face off the Rex. At one point, their faces are in front of each other and so close their snouts clip through each other. The Spino's skull actually seems to be shorter then the Rex's, when it should be considerably longer. That gives an idea of how undersized it is. Some claim it was big and powerful in JP3 because it was a hybrid, but the documents that say it went through genetic tampering never say what traits were changed and how. Until that happens, the JP3 Spinosaurus is the reference Spinosaurus for the franchise. It clearly is bigger then even the largest Rex in the franchise, as it was intended to be in JP3 in the first place.

that image of the comparison of the rex and spino of 12 and 13 meters, is perfect, so it would be good to put it, unfortunately it is not like that, the spino of jurassic world evolution clearly is that it is too small, hopefully Frontier put those sizes, that the spino and the rex have the same height as it is clearly seen in the image and that the spino has one meter more than the rex,

 

[Dinoken]

Even compared to a 40ft long Rex, the Spinosaurus is considerably bigger. Compare the size of their skulls, then go and watch the vídeo where they fight. There's a moment when the Spinosaurus turns around to face off the Rex. At one point, their faces are in front of each other and so close their snouts clip through each other. The Spino's skull actually seems to be shorter then the Rex's, when it should be considerably longer. That gives an idea of how undersized it is. Some claim it was big and powerful in JP3 because it was a hybrid, but the documents that say it went through genetic tampering never say what traits were changed and how. Until that happens, the JP3 Spinosaurus is the reference Spinosaurus for the franchise. It clearly is bigger then even the largest Rex in the franchise, as it was intended to be in JP3 in the first place.

Well as I have stated before - the 12.2 meter/40 feet for T.rex on those sites - refers to species average - not the exact size of a specific specimen. it is the same with most of the species listed on those sites. Also - the estimate of 12.2 meters/40 feet for Rexy is her approximate size in Jurassic Park - not in Jurassic World (which takes place 22 years later). In Jurassic World - Rexy is the oldest(at 27-30 years old), and largest T,rex(at 13.4 meters/44 feet long) is the Jurassic Park/Jurassic World series.

 

[Kikke]

Well as I have stated before - the 12.2 meter/40 feet for T.rex on those sites - refers to species average - not the exact size of a specific specimen. it is the same with most of the species listed on those sites. Also - the estimate of 12.2 meters/40 feet for Rexy is her approximate size in Jurassic Park - not in Jurassic World (which takes place 22 years later). In Jurassic World - Rexy is the oldest(at 27-30 years old), and largest T,rex(at 13.4 meters/44 feet long) is the Jurassic Park/Jurassic World series.

Go to the official website of Jurassic world and clearly says 12 meters, that means that Roberta measures 12 meters, not 13, this is general, do not rely on theories that anyone invents on the internet, it is better to have evidence / loyal evidence to sustain our arguments, please seriously stop inventing things

 

[kjasnksir]

I have never seen any estimations for the JP3 Spinosaurus of 18 meters. The official stats from JP3 promo states that the Spinosaurus was 13.3 meters/almost 44 feet - so that is what we go with.

In fact - the only estimates I have heard for a 18 meter long Spinosaurus are based on Dal Sasso's 2005 estimations. In fact - before the first composite mounted specimen was produced, estimates for Spinosaurus ranged from as low as 12.5 meters/41 feet to as high as 18 meters/59 feet. It has only been since the most recent Spinosaurus mount was revealed in late 2014 - that they have a fairly accurate estimation of 14.3-15.24 meters/47-50 feet in length.

Now I could see a valid claim being made that maybe the Spinosaurus was not fully grown yet. But again this is something which has never been confirmed.

I saw your post in the other thread, but I think it's better to reply on this one instead. Yes, the JP3 size chart lists the Spinosaurus at 44ft long, but the very same chart depicts it at 46ft long. Count how many feet long it actually is in the chart. The Heights listed are the ones depicted, but the length listed is wrong. I didn't make up the estimate, I just noticed the mistake.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0PK7OiW-gOc/TklEyxSdsuI/AAAAAAAAZlI/0i3m3uPK968/s1600/IMGP0013.JPG
https://orig02.deviantart.net/3c04/f/2016/170/0/a/11_by_silvertrunks06-da6waft.png

There were so many sizes listed in the JP wiki a long time ago for all the Rexes. All of them from diferent sources and diferent from each other. Now, I don't want to argue how big Rexy/Roberta is in JW or any of the other Rexes, for now at least. But I really don't have to. You argued in the other thread that the sizes listed in the sites are supposed to be average. If that's the case, that would only make them the best sizes to go with to compare the animals. After all, we won't breed Rexy, we will be breeding generic Rexes in the game.
I won't argue that the Spino wasn't fully grown in JP3, that would be purely speculative. But anyway, I remember distinctively watching the extras and listening Jack Horner mentioning that Spinosaurus could grow to 60ft long. kkkk