Profit - I mean, changes for they gameplay style.
I don't get what do you mean about backpack expansion...
General Materials amount at High Grade Emissions in the upcoming update - it broke everything!
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I don't get what do you mean about backpack expansion...
People that play golf are weird.
It's like they asked 3 people how to fix the problem, and then implements all the solutions. I liked the changes, they solved the problem, but then they kept on solving it. Again and again.
All MMO games are grindy, love it or hate it, the grind IS content. In a game that is shouting out for more content, reducing the "fun" of material harvesting (too much) is a net lose. It needed a correction, but they have gone too far.
According to my crystal ball, casual players will peak faster and then drop out due to lack of content. They think the fun is pay-walled behind enginerring, I think they'll find what's on the other side won't hold them for long.
I've maxed all my materials, so these changes do me no harm. But now when I engineer some stuff and want to top up my materials the fun of solving that problem will be over 10 times faster.
IMHO all they had to do was a) improve the material haul from combat, which looking at what I was getting last night, they have alredy done. About 20 materials from 1 ship, and loads of them class 5, and b) improve the material rewards from missions.
All MMO games are grindy, love it or hate it, the grind IS content. In a game that is shouting out for more content, reducing the "fun" of material harvesting (too much) is a net lose. It needed a correction, but they have gone too far.
According to my crystal ball, casual players will peak faster and then drop out due to lack of content. They think the fun is pay-walled behind enginerring, I think they'll find what's on the other side won't hold them for long.
I've maxed all my materials, so these changes do me no harm. But now when I engineer some stuff and want to top up my materials the fun of solving that problem will be over 10 times faster.
IMHO all they had to do was a) improve the material haul from combat, which looking at what I was getting last night, they have alredy done. About 20 materials from 1 ship, and loads of them class 5, and b) improve the material rewards from missions.
For me it is about flying a starship, the other stuff is to support that.
Fly my ships and do things until I run out of places to go, lack the ability to play or the servers shutdown.
Because it wasn’t interesting enough for you, me I played on my feet didn’t really discover the engineers didn’t gain data, bought somewhat upgraded suits and weapons over the counter then spent a year or more plant hunting. I haven’t been out in my suit much this year because I have been doing other stuff in the bubble.
I was just thinking, after reading a post that someone make apparently quoting or speaking with knowledge on the subject, that there are a few possible changes lined up, and that they don't expect to get it right first time.
I've been pondering this and it seems to me that the issues is that in reality this is never static, there is never balance, just a perpetual iterating zero sum game.
This could be done, or modelled rather, in the online environment, but man would it be a lot of work to get right.
I've been pondering this and it seems to me that the issues is that in reality this is never static, there is never balance, just a perpetual iterating zero sum game.
This could be done, or modelled rather, in the online environment, but man would it be a lot of work to get right.
And the fix for that isn't to just have basic activities hemorrhage rewards.
The fix is to actually design your game activities well. But that ship sailed for FD a loooong time ago so we're left with trashy results like this.
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Don’t worry away from the bubble the coolness comes back with the added boost of knowing you are the first person ever to see those worlds.
You are being premature and assuming that because the base storage of your suit will be increased your modification will be removed when it is much more likely that it will as now be an addition to the base value. If the backpack storage mod is a percentage based boost you will gain even more storage.
Not sure what's happened here, but the text you've quoted is not mine.
So are BMX racers.
Weird... yeah let me fix that.
Yeah I assumed the mod would work in exactly the same way and was looking forward to 120 asset capacity in my looting suit(s)! Will be able to fully clear settlements of junk without ever having to drop stuff off at the ship mid way through, absolute winner.
Crumbs! Are magic pockets that transport your material goods with you, into the next life, when you re~sporn not enough; Should I build you a pyramid; Prey tell me, what can I possibly do?
There is something subjective about it. And it is simple maths. When I buy a ship and I realise that I don't have enough mats to upgrade its shield boosters or the shield itself (for example), I'll find the nearest relevant HGE and relog until I have enough or until it times out. I can then continue with my goal. If I say "nah, I'll just have different fun, and if I manage to come across relevant HGEs in the next month, I can have my new ship engineered, and if the context I want to use it for is still available (like a vulnerable titan) I can have some of the remaining fun I initially wanted".
I very much agree what they need to is make actual game improvements. Hopefully that is what we will see next week. Not just tweek numbers.
In order of priority:
- 1 - Eliminate ALL re-logging methods. Each HGE, crash sites, Guardian sites, etc.. allows a cmdr to collect only once. If certain locations are "programmatically too difficult" for Frontier to prevent relogging... then get rid of them. Relogging should not be allowed as normal gameplay in any game. Developers must find other actual gameplay solutions to material gathering.
- 2 - Allow tear-down of engineered items. You lose the module credit value, but you regain the eng mats. Or a percentage. Both Horizons & Odessey items. Cmdr only gets back eng mats they put into the item (nothing that was pre-engineered). Yes, this means Frontier would need to program items to track the mats a cmdr added to an item. Good thing Frontier employs programmers. They should have thought about this originally.
- 3 - Allow onfoot cmdrs to pickup raw & mfg mats from the ground (as an alternative to the SRV). And scan for encoded mats (is this already possible? I'm not certain).
- 4 - Better material rewards from the misc crash sites that are (used to be?) scattered all over the place.
- 5 - Include material rewards in more of the missions.
- 6 - Diversify material rewards from missions.
- 7 - Add alternate methods to get mats. Methods that fit the context of the activities.
- 8 - Add new challenging missions and activities aimed specifically at larger material rewards.
Except the first two points none of these ideas radically alter the current material gathering process. But makes it waaaay. better.
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Not strictly opposed, but then you need a solution for the fact that Guardian materials are required for ammo synthesis of Guardian weapons as well as the unlocks, while those sites are then going to become a limited resource and run out eventually. (Nobody will fly to the distant deep space ones just to do AX when there is no station available for rearm/repair.)
… I wouldn’t mind getting those materials added to the list for material traders, mind you. At least the manufactured ones.
Yep. 100% agree. Frontier needs to come up with solutions that don't include the player relogging.
There is small problem...ship has limits and carrier is limited even more.
You play it wrong. I got each of my ships when I had ALL ready (except 1st) for upgrades. I.e. 1st you prepare yourself by collecting things during couple days, then you buy the ship.
I had ruined fun of preparation already because all was maxed, now it will be ruined even more, because can be restored in 20 mins.
Ya, its a lot easier to build & engineer a ship if you already have more than enough credits & mats. Faster, with much less monkeying around.
And it is generally much easier to collect credits & mats (for you next ship) in a fully completed ship. So there isn't usually much point in half-building a ship.
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If a ship is missing a minor component or upgrade (ex: lightweight engineering on life support, or the last shield booster of many) it is not a big deal and can be finished up later. The overall ship is fully functional. No need to drop everything for a minor detail.
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