Modes Mega ships open only content?

[Jmanis]

Unfortunately, some open-only players fail to realise that there are three different modes on each of the four separate platforms with no crossover gameplay. This in turn makes me wonder why one should whine about certain BGS content being open-only.

This one.

Players still can't rationalise that playing the BGS and factions are not the competitive PvP function of the game. That's what Powerplay is for.

You can never, ever make the BGS open-only because it's the indirect mechanism everyone affects the universe under and makes it appear malleable regardless of mode, and as said by FD is the "indirect" way for players to interact; that is, things happen and you may never see another player, because where players say "Open Only" they mean "PC-only, Open-only, region-locked (coz my rubbish AU internet never instances with anyone)"

People just need to get over the idea of BGS ever being open only; it's simply not what it's there for.

 

[Wyldwiisel]

In the stream they said they can move around and if you get one in your system you should take care of it

 

[ilo]

In the stream they said they can move around and if you get one in your system you should take care of it

Can you explain why? I bet you can't, and you could only make a best guess, yet you are 100% certain whatever it is, it needs to be in open, as in 'combat is going to fix everything in this game'.

 

[Braandlin]

In the stream they said they can move around and if you get one in your system you should take care of it

yes. because while it is in your system points scored against it in scenarios will count AGAINST your faction and points scored for the mega shi in scenarios will count FOR your faction.

 

[znôrt]

Players still can't rationalise that playing the BGS and factions are not the competitive PvP function of the game. That's what Powerplay is for.

there is really nothing fundamentally different to powerplay regarding bgs in the sense you can say it is decisively pvp while the rest of the bgs isn't. it has its own cycle, and uses different factions, but if you forget the name 'powerplay' it could be seen as just an aspect of the bgs.

powerplay could be a good candidate setting to fill the void in group pvp content because it would be convenient, but so would be scenarios like op states aswell, and the bgs in a more general sense. the real problem is not the particular setting, but the underlying limitations of architecture and implementation.

and as said by FD is the "indirect" way for players to interact

yeah, well, 'other adam' made an emotional rally speech on how cool it is that all platforms (and modes) intersect in one commonly shared universe. while that might do for a good speech for a game designer to give at a livestream, or to fill yet another gaming article, it actually doesn't provide any meaningful gameplay. it's just void rhetoric.

People just need to get over the idea of BGS ever being open only; it's simply not what it's there for.

people are doing just fine demanding multiplayer conflict in a game that advertises multiplayer conflict. how to provide that is for frontier to solve, and inflamed speeches or empty statements about what is there for what just won't cut it.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

You know there is a thread on reddit going on about this at the same time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/9rm4uk/one_problem_with_megaships_in_new_bgs_and/

You can see the differences of opinion between these forums and reddit.

However, 5 years of conversations have been brought up here.

IT was brought up so much it even has a nick name. Hotel California.

I could almost bet you that a lot of those guys have been run off from here in the past, banned or given infractions because of their frustrations. But speaking from experience, people are pushed away. It happened long before I got here. And Ive seen the same people attack this conversation here every time.

Most of those people have probably tried to come here and talk about it.

The reality is this. This has been a major issue thats held back this games potential for a very long time.

This is all about player based objectives. NPC's shouldnt be the only thing standing in the way between players fighting over objectives.

This problem really needs to go away.

Think about this, Im sure most of you have seen me here complaining about this. I could have put the game down and left. But instead I have come here beating this dead horse because I care. I could have just moved on. Others could have just moved on.

Id rather be playing a balanced game.

Hell they called one dude The Voice of Open for christ's sake.

Lets stop pretending this is not a problem. And actually fix this issue.

Its time to burn the Hotel California down to the ground.

o7 Cmdrs.

 

[Notwyn]

You know there is a thread on reddit going on about this at the same time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/9rm4uk/one_problem_with_megaships_in_new_bgs_and/

You can see the differences of opinion between these forums and reddit.

However, 5 years of conversations have been brought up here.

I could almost bet you that a lot of those guys have been run off from here in the past, banned or given infractions because of their frustrations. But speaking from experience, people are pushed away. It happened long before I got here. And Ive seen the same people attack this conversation here every time.

Most of those people have probably tried to come here and talk about it.

The reality is this. This has been a major issue thats held back this games potential for a very long time.

This is all about player based objectives. NPC's shouldnt be the only thing standing in the way between players fighting over objectives.

This problem really needs to go away.

Think about this, Im sure most of you have seen me here complaining about this. I could have put the game down and left. But instead I have come here beating this dead horse because I care. I could have just moved on. Others could have just moved on.

Id rather be playing a balanced game.

Hell they called one dude The Voice of Open for christ's sake.

Lets stop pretending this is not a problem. And actually fix this issue.

o7 Cmdrs.

It's not broken, so nothing to fix in my opinion. The three modes is the way to go.

I'm fine with you choosing to play in open, PG or solo, whichever you choose has no impact on me. Why does how I play bother you?

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

It's not broken, so nothing to fix in my opinion. The three modes is the way to go.

I'm fine with you choosing to play in open, PG or solo, whichever you choose has no impact on me. Why does how I play bother you?

Its pretty broken.

Read what people are saying in that thread. Dont take my word for it.

Everyone knows why.

Lets stop pretending and playing dumb about this issue. Thats all I am asking.

Its time to acknowledge it.

 

[Tifu]

This one.

Players still can't rationalise that playing the BGS and factions are not the competitive PvP function of the game. That's what Powerplay is for.

You can never, ever make the BGS open-only because it's the indirect mechanism everyone affects the universe under and makes it appear malleable regardless of mode, and as said by FD is the "indirect" way for players to interact; that is, things happen and you may never see another player, because where players say "Open Only" they mean "PC-only, Open-only, region-locked (coz my rubbish AU internet never instances with anyone)"

People just need to get over the idea of BGS ever being open only; it's simply not what it's there for.

Now if we just repost this 3x more times then it may begin to sink in

 

[Notwyn]

Its pretty broken.

Read what people are saying in that thread. Dont take my word for it.

Everyone knows why.

Lets stop pretending and playing dumb about this issue. Thats all I am asking.

Its time to acknowledge it.

I just did. I think it's fine the way it is. You disagree, fine. I'm just asking you to acknowledge some of us like the three modes etc. Your view isn't the only one.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I just did. I think it's fine the way it is. You disagree, fine. I'm just asking you to acknowledge some of us like the three modes etc. Your view isn't the only one.

You're right there was tons of people before me asking for the same change. Why should someone be able to remove themselves from a multiplayer mode just to affect someone else. If their intentions were not to be messed with.

Thats pretty funny people do that. They dont mind affecting others. But some griefer better not blow them up for defending their player faction.

Yeah thats just not gonna fly anymore.

 

[Notwyn]

You're right there was tons of people before me asking for the same change. Why should someone be able to remove themselves from a multiplayer mode just to affect someone else. If their intentions were not to be messed with.

Thats pretty funny people do that. They dont mind affecting others. But some griefer better not blow them up for defending their player faction.

Yeah thats just not gonna fly anymore.

So wasted my time trying to point out others have differing views. NP, jog on with your paranoia...

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

So wasted my time trying to point out others have differing views. NP, jog on with your paranoia...

You can call it whatever you like. Its a legitimate concern and balancing issue.

Brought up by many.

 

[Arindor]

I've read some of the comments and they simply disregard the obvious:

There isn't a separate BGS for each platform. Therefore, even if the BGS was open only, without crossplay, how are players going to stop those playing on PS4 affecting the BGS if they're on PC (or other combination)?

Once this little nugget sinks in, perhaps the subject can be dropped.

 

[Robert Maynard]

You can call it whatever you like. Its a legitimate concern and balancing issue.

Brought up by many.

It's not unbalanced - everyone has the same tools to affect the BGS (with PvP being largely irrelevant) - in a game where PvP remains an optional extra that no-one requires to engage in.

As to "The Voice of Open" - that was a self-adopted title, much as "The Voice of Griefing" is for another user.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

It's not unbalanced - everyone has the same tools to affect the BGS (with PvP being largely irrelevant) - in a game where PvP remains an optional extra that no-one requires to engage in.

As to "The Voice of Open" - that was a self-adopted title, much as "The Voice of Griefing" is for another user.

Well thats like your opinion man.

Obviously there is something wrong maynard. Or people wouldnt be talking about it.

Btw you showed up right on time as usual. Always punctual and never late to this conversation, Amirite?

 

[babelfisch]

You can play in solo but you shouldn't be able to kill my faction Megaships that's all I'm saying without me been able to kill you for trying

Thing is, you don't have a faction and you also don't have a mega ship. Nobody does.

 

[Bigmaec]

Did someone already bingo'd?

 

[Deareim]

Here we go again. Nothing will ever be open only. It's a shared universe and clearly that's very important to FD.
Also what if your squadron is purely on PC and someone attacks the capital ship on a PS4 in open mode? Let's not open this box.

On a side note: Any open only content locks out all console peeps who don't have PS+/Gold. Not cool.

You might be disapointed in the near future.

 

[babelfisch]

You're right there was tons of people before me asking for the same change. Why should someone be able to remove themselves from a multiplayer mode just to affect someone else. If their intentions were not to be messed with.

Thats pretty funny people do that. They dont mind affecting others. But some griefer better not blow them up for defending their player faction.

Yeah thats just not gonna fly anymore.

Why do you want to change the game into something that wasn't advertised?