Met My First Hacker Today

[Cirrus]

I'm blowing up tons of ships (in ways that other people sometimes don't like, including mean station kills), but I've never been rude to anyone. Always civil, since we're just having some fun here. You should see how serious and angry some people get.

Seeing Vipers with hardpoints deployed and an Anaconda melting ships is a fairly good indicator you shouldn't try docking, but people still do

Bring on 1.2 and the lynch mob! Wings will be great.

Probably because your "fun" is costing CMDRs a lot of credits and many hours of game play. By all means have your "fun" but don't be surprised that others don't find your actions equally enjoyable..

 

[Sexydino]

nah cmon, if he's not hacking - then.. I don't really see it as a problem, I just got killed by 3 of them - not too bothered lol,

I am genuinely curious to know how they can fire around the station without it firing back at them though,

 

[CMDR TC]

Commander TC is not the only one who has been reported, and others have reported that they observed a different ship sitting in the middle of a hail of fire from the station indefinitely, so even if TC is not hacking (which we only have his word for by the way), there are still suspicions about others which should be reported (with video if possible).

You don't even need to take my word for it, experiment for yourself with station fire. Take full advantage of all ships systems and you'll look like you're almost invincible too... well, most of the time.

Also, whilst I'm not sure that FD have clarified what is the difference between griefing and "psychopath", I would consider that hanging around inside the docking bay shooting all other players without warning on a constant basis is griefing, and clearly the penalty for it is not nearly high enough right now.

To be fair, I told a bunch of people I was going to blow up their ships and mentioned it here. A few people had messaged me in-game and I responded to them as well, stating exactly what was going on. We we also using an Anaconda to melt NPC's before they left the station. I think our intentions were made fairly obvious and clear to anyone around.

I don't consider myself a "griefer" (is that even a word?). I'm just a bad man in a spaceship with lots of guns.

 

[Lyandritz]

Commander TC is not the only one who has been reported, and others have reported that they observed a different ship sitting in the middle of a hail of fire from the station indefinitely, so even if TC is not hacking (which we only have his word for by the way), there are still suspicions about others which should be reported (with video if possible).

Also, whilst I'm not sure that FD have clarified what is the difference between griefing and "psychopath", I would consider that hanging around inside the docking bay shooting all other players without warning on a constant basis is griefing, and clearly the penalty for it is not nearly high enough right now.

Anyway, station defence weapons should not be affected by chaff I would think, so that should be fixed as well. We are talking about being within visual range here so station guns should be allowed to be aimed visually.

Camping a station isn't griefing as long as you are not locked inside and unable to leave the station during a long period.
It's more a psychopath - murder gameplay.

But actually it's an exploit of the gameplay because you have no chance to fight back and it's happening in a supposed "safe" place.

It's up to FD to fix that exploit.
Hope 1.1 will fix it.

 

[Riktar]

nah cmon, if he's not hacking - then.. I don't really see it as a problem, I just got killed by 3 of them - not too bothered lol,

I am genuinely curious to know how they can fire around the station without it firing back at them though,

The only way I could think of is a hack, cheat, script, etc. While they can claim til they are blue in the face that they don't, the facts speak otherwise:

Player A fires in a no fire zone and nothing happens.

Player B fires in a no fire zone and gets his Asp handed to him in seconds.

UMMMMM,,,,,, care to explain that? What? Huh?

 

[Skip Intro]

They're blockading anyone playing in Open, such as me. That's pretty obvious. It's been well known from the start that people can play solo if they want and avoid player interaction, but that does not invalidate all attempts at player interaction. If you're playing solo, you're playing a different game, so why should they care? I play Open only. They are blockading me. And denigrating PvP by saying it has something to do with e-peens, well, that's just sad. This is a PvP game, and both 'P's refer to "player". Did you just Come to the forum to insult the players who want to experience the game as envisioned by DBOBE?

No, I'm saying that sitting in a station shooting people is an e-peen contest. Where's the PvP in that? It's almost literally shooting fish in a barrel. If they want actual Player versus Player, let them come out of the station and try their hand. That is the game envisioned by Frontier, I think, not what's going on.

The 'blockade' is just some thin excuse to be a <insert your favourite expletive> and if you're OK with that, fine.

 

[AradanKir]

I'm having a hard time deciding for myself: when am I "just playing a psychopath" and when am I griefing?

Genuine question.

I think the point of any multiplayer game, whether PvP or not is are you making it more fun for everyone, or just more fun for yourself? Short term fun for yourself is great; but for the longer term future of the game & the community, making it fun for everyone is a much better goal.

So, then with that goal in mind, you can ask yourself the question every time you perform an action ... "Is what I'm doing making this game more fun for everyone?" & if the answer is no, then consider stopping what you're doing.

 

[CMDR TC]

Probably because your "fun" is costing CMDRs a lot of credits and many hours of game play. By all means have your "fun" but don't be surprised that others don't find your actions equally enjoyable..

It costs a lot of credits to outfit A-grade ships (Anacondas, Vipers, ASP's, etc) and then take on a group of Commanders with them.

 

[Lyandritz]

nah cmon, if he's not hacking - then.. I don't really see it as a problem, I just got killed by 3 of them - not too bothered lol,

I am genuinely curious to know how they can fire around the station without it firing back at them though,

If they gave you a way to fight , it's ok.

But what we were talking about is the way they hide inside station and nearly 1 shoot people who were docking.
He got me twice like that while he ran away when i chased him.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I'm blowing up tons of ships (in ways that other people sometimes don't like, including mean station kills), but I've never been rude to anyone. Always civil, since we're just having some fun here. You should see how serious and angry some people get.

Seeing Vipers with hardpoints deployed and an Anaconda melting ships is a fairly good indicator you shouldn't try docking, but people still do

Bring on 1.2 and the lynch mob! Wings will be great.

I really do not get the mentality of this!. How anyone can get enjoyment out of going out of your way to ruin other peoples experience in what is, at best an exploit, at worst a cheat - depending on who you believe - just blows my mind.
Such a sad state of affairs as to what our society has come to. It is the digital equivalent of kicking down someones sand castle whilst they are building it or running onto a football pitch and popping the ball just for lols

would you deliberately ram other cars off the road in an iracing league as well, using the argument, well I CAN therefore it must be acceptable?

 

[Sexydino]

If they gave you a way to fight , it's ok.

But what we were talking about is the way they hide inside station and nearly 1 shoot people who were docking.
He got me twice like that while he ran away when i chased him.

It is annoying I guess...

I mean if you take the game as intended, ANYBODY firing whilst inside the no-fire zone should be killed,

 

[CMDR TC]

I think the point of any multiplayer game, whether PvP or not is are you making it more fun for everyone, or just more fun for yourself? Short term fun for yourself is great; but for the longer term future of the game & the community, making it fun for everyone is a much better goal.

So, then with that goal in mind, you can ask yourself the question every time you perform an action ... "Is what I'm doing making this game more fun for everyone?" & if the answer is no, then consider stopping what you're doing.

Commanders could simply not visit the station putting on a laser light show and dock at one of the many thousands of others instead? I don't think gaming needs to be about everyone being nice all of the time, that would be incredibly boring. It's not called Elite:Cuddles.

 

[Cmdr Andy B]

Commanders could simply not visit the station putting on a laser light show and dock at one of the many thousands of others instead? I don't think gaming needs to be about everyone being nice all of the time, that would be incredibly boring. It's not called Elite:Cuddles.

this would be a possibility if the station in question wasn't smack bang in the middle of a rares route.

 

[Javert]

It is annoying I guess...

I mean if you take the game as intended, ANYBODY firing whilst inside the no-fire zone should be killed,

Agreed, but even if you fix this issue, the next problem is that if you do get killed, you then get reincarnated in the same station with the same weapons etc, and no longer wanted. As long as you have cr for the insurance you can carry on doing this over and over again.

 

[Sexydino]

Commanders could simply not visit the station putting on a laser light show and dock at one of the many thousands of others instead? I don't think gaming needs to be about everyone being nice all of the time, that would be incredibly boring. It's not called Elite:Cuddles.

You gotta admit though, all you're really doing is exploiting - you're killing people in an easy way that wasn't intended to be possible within the game, (killing people whilst docking, inside the station, etc)

I mean, you can dress it up however you want, but at the end of the day it's just no-skills, easykills for lots of lulz,

 

[AradanKir]

I don't think gaming needs to be about everyone being nice all of the time, that would be incredibly boring. It's not called Elite:Cuddles.

I agree, but if people aren't having fun, they'll start to drift away to games where they do have fun. Less people means less income for FD & less interest in Elite generally, which means less new development & less fun long-term for everyone.

I'm not saying PvP isn't a valid play style in ED, but my experience from running a multiplayer world for 5yrs+ has shown me that it works at its best when the people involved communicate with each other & both parties are in agreement over what's about to take place. Shooting people who are simply coming in to dock, who then get very annoyed about what appears to be ruining their fun, doesn't seem like a play style that lends itself to the longevity of ED

 

[Alec Turner]

this would be a possibility if the station in question wasn't smack bang in the middle of a rares route.

I'm sure this is no accident. If you're going to set yourself up as an in-game "psychopath" and blockade a station, what better station to pick than Leesti. Where's the "fun" in blockading "GQ Virginis"?

 

[Lyandritz]

Agreed, but even if you fix this issue, the next problem is that if you do get killed, you then get reincarnated in the same station with the same weapons etc, and no longer wanted. As long as you have cr for the insurance you can carry on doing this over and over again.

The missiles fix may stop being killed in 1 shoot.
The new CD on Chaff Launcher and SCB may stop them to stay longer inside station.
The inability to dock in that station if you have a bad reputation with the faction may help also.

Let's see what happen with 1.1

 

[bassman]

Your missing the point about the MD5 checks, you can't simply alter files and expect the server to accept them, it's too lengthy to go into, but you should read up on PBBans or Wikipedia if you're genuinely interested.

The man-in-the-middle attack would not actually perform the hash - it would just return the right answer, even if a unique salt was provided by the server, they could redirect the hashing code to look at a separate unaltered set of files.

Anyway I think many of the hacks involve freezing memory locations that keep track of shields and ammo rather than actually altering the game files.

 

[Edward Lewis]

Update on this one for you:

We've already penalised a number of players as a direct result of players posting information on here and in videos on Youtube.

Our name and shame policy won't apply to those bringing a Youtube video to our attention. If you do post a Youtube video or something outside of our own channels clearly displaying what looks like an exploit or hack of some kind, there won't be any ramification. Thanks.