Met My First Hacker Today

awww nice work guys :)

Also - just jogged my memory, but something else also happened that I don't understand,

When I approached the station I could see a guy in a Viper quite close to me, firing dumbfire missiles all over the place - as though he was looking for a fight, then he disappeared from my radar (he was only 1km infront of me, and I had A3 sensors) I assume he'd gone into silent-running, as I could physically see him infront of me,

the next moment he re-appears on my radar right infront of me, but with full shields - I got him down to 20% hull with torps before the 3 of them and the station killed me, what I don't understand is how he apparently came out of silent-running with full shields,
 
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Update on this one for you:

We've already penalised a number of players as a direct result of players posting information on here and in videos on Youtube.

Our name and shame policy won't apply to those bringing a Youtube video to our attention. If you do post a Youtube video or something outside of our own channels clearly displaying what looks like an exploit or hack of some kind, there won't be any ramification. Thanks.

so basically we are allowed to expose player who (allegedly) hack / exploit on youtube as long as we don't post said video here?

talk about pushing things under the rug.......
 
Update on this one for you:

We've already penalised a number of players as a direct result of players posting information on here and in videos on Youtube.

Our name and shame policy won't apply to those bringing a Youtube video to our attention. If you do post a Youtube video or something outside of our own channels clearly displaying what looks like an exploit or hack of some kind, there won't be any ramification. Thanks.

Hi

this is great news. Can you elaborate what the punishment is? are you considering perm account bans full stop, perm bans from ALL or is it just a CMDR wipe and they are able to start again.

Thanks

so basically we are allowed to expose player who (allegedly) hack / exploit on youtube as long as we don't post said video here?

talk about pushing things under the rug.......

No I think he is saying we cant name and shame, but if we post a video ie PROOF, that happens to have a CMDR name on it then that is ok, as this is concrete and not open to accusations of slander/libel. This is how I read it anyway
 
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so basically we are allowed to expose player who (allegedly) hack / exploit on youtube as long as we don't post said video here?

talk about pushing things under the rug.......

more like libel / bullying and the law. Post links to a video link on the ED forums and name the person there. Just think about what you post elsewhere like any social media decision you make in your life.
 
Hi

this is great news. Can you elaborate what the punishment is? are you considering perm account bans full stop, perm bans from ALL or is it just a CMDR wipe and they are able to start again.

Thanks

from what i've seen punishment includes but is not limited to locking the account in solo mode, in my view this is better than an outright ban as if you do that they'll just buy another copy to get round the ban. lock them in solo and there is a good chance they will simply carry on playing in that mode.
 
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I've been flying for 12 hours in open play can't say I have seen many human players let alone hackers. Pretty much flying around the stars I started in. Seems to be affecting certain systems may be FD could bring in some moderators to fly in and view who the hackers are. On one hand saying they are relying on the community to weed out ASBO kids and not providing the tools to put a cheat on your personal black-list to reduce the likely-hood that you will placed with him/her or a name and shame system seems at odds.

On being silent I am sure they are trying to look at what they can achieve here but equally well it would be irresponsible to goad the hackers by offering up a challenge. Keep stum and try to find way of combating the hackers. It's an evolving cat and mouse game...
 
Clearly this behavior needs greater consequences, even assuming it isn't haxx. Bigger bounties/fines, a 10 second warning to leave the station immediately if they have a big bounty on them, more powerful station lasers, etc.

My suggestion right back at the start of the DDF process was to give players the option to play the game in "cop" mode, where you can start in a police viper in a trouble spot. Basically any time the game is considering spawning a police viper, check to see if someone is waiting in the queue and spawn that player instead.
 
nah cmon, if he's not hacking - then.. I don't really see it as a problem, I just got killed by 3 of them - not too bothered lol,

I am genuinely curious to know how they can fire around the station without it firing back at them though,

You only get a fine for firing in the no-fire zone. So long as you dont hit the station itself you can pew pew as much as you like.
 
The only way I could think of is a hack, cheat, script, etc. While they can claim til they are blue in the face that they don't, the facts speak otherwise:

Player A fires in a no fire zone and nothing happens.

Player B fires in a no fire zone and gets his Asp handed to him in seconds.

UMMMMM,,,,,, care to explain that? What? Huh?
Did Player A hit the station? If not, it doesn't trigger an armed response. You should learn the game and ship/station behaviour before assuming everything is hacks or cheats.

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Also - just jogged my memory, but something else also happened that I don't understand,

When I approached the station I could see a guy in a Viper quite close to me, firing dumbfire missiles all over the place - as though he was looking for a fight, then he disappeared from my radar (he was only 1km infront of me, and I had A3 sensors) I assume he'd gone into silent-running, as I could physically see him infront of me,

the next moment he re-appears on my radar right infront of me, but with full shields - I got him down to 20% hull with torps before the 3 of them and the station killed me, what I don't understand is how he apparently came out of silent-running with full shields,

He's probably made the station angry and popping chaffs constantly to avoid the defensive weapons fire. It seems like the heat interference from chaff messes with radar signatures too. Commanders were mentioning the same issue with me blipping in and out of radar view while I was hitting chaffs.
 
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Clearly this behavior needs greater consequences, even assuming it isn't haxx. Bigger bounties/fines, a 10 second warning to leave the station immediately if they have a big bounty on them, more powerful station lasers, etc.

My suggestion right back at the start of the DDF process was to give players the option to play the game in "cop" mode, where you can start in a police viper in a trouble spot. Basically any time the game is considering spawning a police viper, check to see if someone is waiting in the queue and spawn that player instead.

This would be the ideal option I think - get a high rank with a faction and then be granted license to fire in the no-fire zone, perhaps even have minor damage to station ignored. I like the fact that people are missbehaving and Id rather see game mechanics to allow other players to pitch in to sort it out rather than sanitising the game so its not possible to get up to mischief.
 
Clearly this behavior needs greater consequences, even assuming it isn't haxx. Bigger bounties/fines, a 10 second warning to leave the station immediately if they have a big bounty on them, more powerful station lasers, etc.

My suggestion right back at the start of the DDF process was to give players the option to play the game in "cop" mode, where you can start in a police viper in a trouble spot. Basically any time the game is considering spawning a police viper, check to see if someone is waiting in the queue and spawn that player instead.

Yeah needs a better in-game reaction from the cops.
It makes sense to me that the station guns are on auto-target and 'chaffable' to an extent...but I guess that the station security vessels should really be scrambling to engage too, after a period of fighting. I guess they don't fly into the station to engage the hostiles?

Metkis.
 
Update on this one for you:

We've already penalised a number of players as a direct result of players posting information on here and in videos on Youtube.

Our name and shame policy won't apply to those bringing a Youtube video to our attention. If you do post a Youtube video or something outside of our own channels clearly displaying what looks like an exploit or hack of some kind, there won't be any ramification. Thanks.

Can we have some clarification of exactly what behaviour results in a sanction ?, I presume its only for people technically cheating/hacking and not for being merely a nuisance in a station (or at least I certainly hope so).
 
so basically we are allowed to expose player who (allegedly) hack / exploit on youtube as long as we don't post said video here?

talk about pushing things under the rug.......

That's not what I meant. I just mean think carefully about what you choose to post - we do still have rules protecting people's personal details in here on the forum, but we will be as lenient as possible with naming and shaming when it means it will reduce the amount of people attempting to hack the game, in turn helping it to be an enjoyable play experience for all.

Can we have some clarification of exactly what behaviour results in a sanction ?, I presume its only for people technically cheating/hacking and not for being merely a nuisance in a station (or at least I certainly hope so).

People being a nuisance in a station will not be accused of hacking in to the game.
 
Hi

this is great news. Can you elaborate what the punishment is? are you considering perm account bans full stop, perm bans from ALL or is it just a CMDR wipe and they are able to start again.

Thanks



No I think he is saying we cant name and shame, but if we post a video ie PROOF, that happens to have a CMDR name on it then that is ok, as this is concrete and not open to accusations of slander/libel. This is how I read it anyway

Can't elaborate just yet. Not sure what information we can give out. I'll ask around and see what we can let you know.

Your second point is correct - be careful what you post, but we won't punish people for posting videos and proof that they've found.
 
Update on this one for you:

We've already penalised a number of players as a direct result of players posting information on here and in videos on Youtube.

Our name and shame policy won't apply to those bringing a Youtube video to our attention. If you do post a Youtube video or something outside of our own channels clearly displaying what looks like an exploit or hack of some kind, there won't be any ramification. Thanks.

Many have already posted the basic methodology behind hacks as well as some ad hoc easy to implement fixes. I am more than aware that this will not stop all the issues highlighted, though it would reduce their number and thus the effect on the player base.

There are even some on here in this thread and others who have offered "free advice" yet thus far it appears none have been contacted...

I understand that somewhere at FD is a list of priorities based on business, cost, feasibility and player feedback (At least I hope). Yet looking back, it seems that literally nothing has been done. I am not a beta backer so I can not say for sure having had no accesses to earlier versions of the game, but some members of this community would no doubt confirm or deny any such suspicions.

It is easy to post rules and regulations regarding posts yet. The player base needs to know what is being done, and what to look for.
I would suggest a sticky explaining known hacks as a form of disclosure this would stop many false reports and accusations.

For instance if the bad guy with guns is not a hacker it would be unfair to label him so. But due to confusion over what is and is not possible he has not doubt been reported as such.

It would also be of great help if sock puppet accounts were removed especially those of any MOD who may use such (just in case any exist)

Any stickied forum thread, would of course need input from devs and I would not want to be the mod responsible for that tread... Especially given the nature of some of the more extreme nature of certain hackers.

I request again some sort of reply from the devs (plural) as we do not want a repeat of the warz debacle, especially the potential of hostile media to take advantage of the issues raised.
Could you imagine the negative impact of an expose on sites such as "the register" given they employ some VERY competent guys in this particular field.

I suppose we are all aware that hackers can ruin a game, even just a handful. Never mind that a working point and click easy to use hacking tool is only a few weeks away (Maybe sooner).

But many of use understand it is not an ideal situation but if FD were at least open many would give them far more latitude than at present.

I suspect that if given the information many would still choose to play even in open if they knew their concerns were being dealt with.

an example is most of us played all manor of buggy sequels, we suffered crashes and worse in the "good old days" yet we still played.

Just about all of us here want this to be a success despite many flaws and faults with ED, we are still sticking with it. How many of games company's have such a loyal fan base (look at the white knights who post it's all OK even after issues have been admitted by FD)

please don't lose the respect of the fans by doing or saying nothing...
 
Can we have some clarification of exactly what behaviour results in a sanction ?, I presume its only for people technically cheating/hacking and not for being merely a nuisance in a station (or at least I certainly hope so).

It means doing nothing about cheats and hacks but banning forum members for tiny infringements.
 
Can't elaborate just yet. Not sure what information we can give out. I'll ask around and see what we can let you know.

Your second point is correct - be careful what you post, but we won't punish people for posting videos and proof that they've found.

Thanks Ed :)

It means doing nothing about cheats and hacks but banning forum members for tiny infringements.

IMO cut em some slack :) I am quite certain they are not enjoying reading about hackers, cheaters and idiots exploiting the game, but at the same time I imagine they also have to be careful of getting in trouble if they allowed unsubstantiated libellous comments go unpunished, or worse still if they punished innocent people in game.
 
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Well I guess ill eat my own words


I may have come across as an <cannot use the word I want to use> earlier but that's because ive seen too many games I like ruined by hackers and just as many run by devs who don't actually seem to be doing anything about it (and in a lot of cases are not)

So sorry for that, I was wrong

From the Responses I can see now that there is something happening behind the scenes and that hopefully something will be done

Personally I don't think we can prevent the hacking, only ban them once its done

I do have one idea though that may work, why not make them in a new mode, a mode disguised as OPEN PLAY and even says OPEN PLAY, send them all to the same instance and create new ships with CMDR (NPC ships) and a random name of an actual commander on the database and the current ship that player is actually flying in game

Basically a SOLO mode that throws all the cheaters together

This way they could be flying around forever in their cheat instance with other cheaters and not even know it and would not have to incentive to find a way to make another account and cheat again because they wont know any better

And if anyone sees me in game, if your a hacker bring it on, im now recording everything I do in game to prevent myself being a victim of hacking again


PS: I'll help in any way I can, I might swing by the populated areas at the weekend when hacking is likely at it's height and see what I can capture
 
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