Met My First Hacker Today

[Sophist]

I've been sat (docked) inside George Lucas for about half an hour now just watching him (he's in a Viper - 4 missle racks, 2 chaff). His shields don't seem to be infinite, they do go down while under fire from the station (but very slowly) and he's able to recharge them again. He also seems to be able to recharge fully by lurking at the back of the station during periods when it gives up firing on him (why does it stop firing? is the station response for a limited period only?). He's also not alone - he's got a mate (or perhaps just another commander who was able to play him at his own game?) in a Cobra. The two of them were fighting and ramming each other inside the station for quite some time. Saw him dumbfire a player right in front of me (sorry mate whoever you were - tried to warn you but I wasn't fast enough) - and two more while I've been typing this.

I don't have video capture but I've grabbed a couple of screenshots.

Edit 1: he's not indestructible, he just got blown up by the station!

If this specific episode was not such a painful representation of FD's abject incompetance in managing their game space, it would be comical. But to allow an individual to park there for the better part of a day and do this is a pretty good indication of where FD is taking this game....right into the toilet.

That is incompetance at the highest levels, and propogated through the entire organization. Heh, I think you can drive the final nail into the online portion of this games' coffin.

 

[CMDR TC]

If this specific episode was not such a painful representation of FD's abject incompetance in managing their game space, it would be comical. But to allow an individual to park there for the better part of a day and do this is a pretty good indication of where FD is taking this game....right into the toilet.

That is incompetance at the highest levels, and propogated through the entire organization. Heh, I think you can drive the final nail into the online portion of this games' coffin.

Wow, dramatic much?

 

[magillag]

Yeah, I think I met a hacker outside of Lave Station two nights ago. He was inside and just getting blasted by the lazers. Then he hung out at the entrance waiting for players to come in. Finally his shield lost 1 ring and he tried to escape by boosting out of the station. I think he got about 1km out and then he esploded. I text commed him and asked what he was up to and he said he was 'killin people'. I laughed. Had I known what he was doing I would have popped his pimply face.... Kids, sheesh.

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

You only get a fine for firing in the no-fire zone. So long as you dont hit the station itself you can pew pew as much as you like.

Surely inside the spaceport is inside the no fire zone?

 

[Xpats]

If this specific episode was not such a painful representation of FD's abject incompetance in managing their game space, it would be comical. But to allow an individual to park there for the better part of a day and do this is a pretty good indication of where FD is taking this game....right into the toilet.

That is incompetance at the highest levels, and propogated through the entire organization. Heh, I think you can drive the final nail into the online portion of this games' coffin.

Or... you could calm down and quit being so hyperbolic about the situation we have. You may also want to recognize that your opinions on this matter do not necessarily reflect fact, or even the opinions of others.

People need to chill the hell out.

 

[CMDR TC]

Yeah, I think I met a hacker outside of Lave Station two nights ago. He was inside and just getting blasted by the lazers. Then he hung out at the entrance waiting for players to come in. Finally his shield lost 1 ring and he tried to escape by boosting out of the station. I think he got about 1km out and then he esploded. I text commed him and asked what he was up to and he said he was 'killin people'. I laughed. Had I known what he was doing I would have popped his pimply face.... Kids, sheesh.

Yeah, that's not "hacking". You even saw him explode. There's these chaff launchers you can put on your ship, try using them

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

It means doing nothing about cheats and hacks but banning forum members for tiny infringements.

Nice new account. What was your previous one?

 

[PIXEL]

accurately identifying a cheat/hacker

The problem seems to be accurately identifying a cheat/hacker

As Ed infers someone causing a nuisance inside a station isn’t ‘illegal’ - it's probably quite a skill if done without cheating.
Actually proving that another player is at an advantage over another due to hacking (not being affected proportionately at by the stations response or another players weapons) is the key.


..“i just got killed inside a station” doesn't cover it. There may be folk who ‘think’ they’ve been killed by a cheater when all that happened was that they got outsmarted or were under equipped.


Seems providing sound evidence of foul play is somewhat risky - both on this forum or from inside a station

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

People being a nuisance in a station will not be accused of hacking in to the game.

Nuisance is an, er, interesting word to use. I note that you carefully only said that they would not be accused of hacking. Well, fair enough. We should only accuse people of hacking with evidence, not 'I do not know how he did that so it must be a hack'. So far, so good.

However, many of us think that this 'nuisance' behaviour is griefing. What is FDs take on it? Do you draw the line between 'playing the psychopath' and griefing, and if so, where? Are these 'nuisances' being penalised for griefing, or is that all fair game to you. Lots of enquiring minds want to know you official position on this. DBOBE has made anti-griefing comments on videos. Are you, in fact, anti-griefing? Or are you going to just assume that the (thus far almost totally lacking) 'consequences' wis enough.

 

[Sexydino]

LOL

It seems security has been improved *just a little bit* around the station,

Me (In my Anaconda) and another guy in a Python were hanging around outside, when that guy in the video I linked was still there - I followed him out of the no-fire zone then opened up on him, and the damn station still fired on me - even though I was out of the no-fire zone, managed to survive but christ - things seem to be much better around stations now

 

[Sophist]

Or... you could calm down and quit being so hyperbolic about the situation we have. You may also want to recognize that your opinions on this matter do not necessarily reflect fact, or even the opinions of others.

People need to chill the hell out.

Clearly we have different requirements and expectation then. To have a suituation like this where an individual can park in game and utilize a hacked client with impunity for hours on end is quite telling. I think I was being kind and quite reserved in my assessment.

 

[Im_Lost]

With the shield cell nerfs you won't be able to tank the station guns like this any more. Not in any ship. It will be a lot more obvious if they are actually cheating.

 

[Javert]

Nuisance is an, er, interesting word to use. I note that you carefully only said that they would not be accused of hacking. Well, fair enough. We should only accuse people of hacking with evidence, not 'I do not know how he did that so it must be a hack'. So far, so good.

However, many of us think that this 'nuisance' behaviour is griefing. What is FDs take on it? Do you draw the line between 'playing the psychopath' and griefing, and if so, where? Are these 'nuisances' being penalised for griefing, or is that all fair game to you. Lots of enquiring minds want to know you official position on this. DBOBE has made anti-griefing comments on videos. Are you, in fact, anti-griefing? Or are you going to just assume that the (thus far almost totally lacking) 'consequences' wis enough.

I suspect they mean that they will ban or punish proper hackers, but that they are looking for gameplay solutions to griefing and camping in stations by making it very difficult to do - e.g. you will die before you manage to kill the other ship anyway, and even if you succeed you will only get away with it once or it will cost you a huge amount of cr.

Not sure though - could be wrong. What's intriguing is the comments that the worst they have handed out is to put someone in solo mode permanently. I don't understand that because if that's true, they can still use the hacks in solo mode to get masses of credits and impact on the trading in the universe, community goals, etc etc.

 

[PIXEL]

Nuisance is an, er, interesting word to use. I note that you carefully only said that they would not be accused of hacking. Well, fair enough. We should only accuse people of hacking with evidence, not 'I do not know how he did that so it must be a hack'. So far, so good.

However, many of us think that this 'nuisance' behaviour is griefing. What is FDs take on it? Do you draw the line between 'playing the psychopath' and griefing, and if so, where? Are these 'nuisances' being penalised for griefing, or is that all fair game to you. Lots of enquiring minds want to know you official position on this. DBOBE has made anti-griefing comments on videos. Are you, in fact, anti-griefing? Or are you going to just assume that the (thus far almost totally lacking) 'consequences' wis enough.

I'm sure you and I aren't the only folk who would like FD's definition of griefing made more obvious... (bold letters in a sticky for reference please devs) as the many levels of nuisance and its somewhat subjective interpretation are certainly a steep and slow learning curve

 

[bassman]

Nuisance is an, er, interesting word to use. I note that you carefully only said that they would not be accused of hacking. Well, fair enough. We should only accuse people of hacking with evidence, not 'I do not know how he did that so it must be a hack'. So far, so good.

However, many of us think that this 'nuisance' behaviour is griefing. What is FDs take on it? Do you draw the line between 'playing the psychopath' and griefing, and if so, where? Are these 'nuisances' being penalised for griefing, or is that all fair game to you. Lots of enquiring minds want to know you official position on this. DBOBE has made anti-griefing comments on videos. Are you, in fact, anti-griefing? Or are you going to just assume that the (thus far almost totally lacking) 'consequences' wis enough.

Micheal Brooks has said very clearly that murder is acceptable gameplay.

I think FD are right to restrict sanctions to only people breaking the EULA, since this is question of fact not of opinion. Trying to define "griefing" and punish people for it would be a huge minefield.

I would also add that people who report someone for what they consider to be griefing are actually helping the real hackers by creating noise that FD have to sift through. So as players we can help FD tackle the hackers by only reporting clear and present incidences of actual cheating.

 

[Briarée]

That's not what I meant. I just mean think carefully about what you choose to post - we do still have rules protecting people's personal details in here on the forum, but we will be as lenient as possible with naming and shaming when it means it will reduce the amount of people attempting to hack the game, in turn helping it to be an enjoyable play experience for all.



People being a nuisance in a station will not be accused of hacking in to the game.

ok, hat is a bit more clear, however ingame name isno personnal detail, just so you know.....

irl name adress phone etc....are, but randomly choosen alias is not

 

[magillag]

LOL

It seems security has been improved *just a little bit* around the station,

Me (In my Anaconda) and another guy in a Python were hanging around outside, when that guy in the video I linked was still there - I followed him out of the no-fire zone then opened up on him, and the damn station still fired on me - even though I was out of the no-fire zone, managed to survive but christ - things seem to be much better around stations now

I'm pretty sure that was the guy. (I saw the name before the post was Xed).

How do these guys rebuy? I mean if you keep doing this how do you have the credits to keep buying a viper every 30minutes?

Edit: he was probably a griefer, not a hacker. His ship was ugly.

 

[Briarée]

I'm pretty sure that was the guy. (I saw the name before the post was Xed).

How do these guys rebuy? I mean if you keep doing this how do you have the credits to keep buying a viper every 30minutes?

because TRADE was broken for so long and they probably farmed it 24/7 since launch

one could run the math but prety sure this is possible for them to actually have enought CR to afford "burning" vipers like they do for a little while.........


or they figured a way to hack CR, but unless they confess it, only FDEV can see that

heard about a possible hack allowing one player to "force" npc spawn always max bounty, i don't know what is max for say a cobra, but given the speed i can kill them with my viper, i can only imagine what a full A class python or any other ship with a big punch can crank up should the player spawn only those.....

 

[Kyokushin]

The best way to stop cheaters is last 20 minutes game recording in shadowplay or other software.

 

[Cythrawl]

If this specific episode was not such a painful representation of FD's abject incompetance in managing their game space, it would be comical. But to allow an individual to park there for the better part of a day and do this is a pretty good indication of where FD is taking this game....right into the toilet.

That is incompetance at the highest levels, and propogated through the entire organization. Heh, I think you can drive the final nail into the online portion of this games' coffin.

Yeah, coz no-one else (even multi billion dollar game corporations) EVER have to deal with this....

http://www.bluesnews.com/s/158960/diablo-iii-cheaters-banned

Yeah ok... So Blizzard must be comical, and driving Diablo 3 to the toilet too..

The internet is full of Armchair CEO's it seems these days!!