Commendable sentiments, I'm sure.
However, how fair is it that I,or any PvP consumer, are 'sullied' (or tarred with the same brush) because of other PvP individuals and enthusiasts? It smacks of stereotyping and bias.
It's not fair, but life isn't fair regardless of whether it's real or in a videogame. Also, I was more attempting to correct a potential misunderstanding in that most of the folks participating on the forums when referring to griefers etc. are talking about the 2nd and 3rd groupages rather than the first. I only speak for myself here when I say I have the utmost respect and empathy for the 1st groupage - no one sensible objects to direct PvP if it's within context of the game, rather than just treating the game like it's CQC: Galaxy Arena.
You posted a limited broad brush list of PvP motivating factors, with the last 2 being contentious for PvEers (I do PvE stuff as well - I'm 100% sure all PvPers do PvE).
As a broad brush it serves the purposes of this conversation, otherwise you'd be asking me to write some thesis on the matter and I ain't got time for that
I can only say that under the proposal the 'blasters' will now be able to be part of a deeper context in what should be a target rich environment of PP. This could take pressure off CGs, engineer systems, Founders world, ruins and any other 'hot spot'. The boys and girls who live for the fight for fighting's sake are likely to be tempted to join a power to get their fix. The powers will benefit by having combat focused pilots fighting for them. Seems sensible to introduce OoPP with this in mind.
That is indeed one of the Pro's for the proposal and that's well understood.
Going after a weak target? I'm afraid there is nothing wrong with that in a PP context. Other Powers are enemies, allies or neutrals.
Indeed.
(I'm ambivalent about non PP contexts because: a) Choose your mode. b) Dress appropriately.) If an attacking CMDR bit off more than they could chew with what they thought was a weak target, no real shame in crumbling (waking out) and probably a good youtube video to boot. Certainly some exciting gameplay to be had.
Combat logging is cheating in any circumstance. There is no justification for it. PvP, PvE, open, solo or PG - it's cheating. Clogging is worse in PvP though as you are directly affecting another player. I hope the Karma system is also on the cooker.
Also in 100% complete agreement with you on this
One last point, if I may. Most players don't PvP, from a devs post nearly 2 years ago - the question should be asked, why don't they PvP? Maybe they would if an in-game context was available to do so. The huge game map makes encounters slim, unless at a hotspot. This might be what FDev are currently gunning for with the proposal - a potential for meaningful PvP via PP.
That is one possibility.
However, I know why I don't PvP. I don't PvP because it's just not an activity I find fun. I personally backed ED in 2014 becuase I wanted to play an Elite game, having grown up with the original Elite games. I wanted to fly spaceships and play Elite in much the same way that I did back then - i.e. as a single-player open world game with NPC's and things to explore and do.
Playing with other people is not what I want to do much, though let it be noted that I have indeed played ED with other players a number of times, and
mostly enjoyed the times that I did, but, what I don't particularly find enjoyable is direct pew-pew PvP. It's simply not a fun, enjoyable nor
interesting thing for me to do. So I don't.
Well, technically I have PvP'ed before - once when I was blown up for no in-game context in Open in Shinrarta Dezhra a couple of years ago. Another time was when I made a bunch of grifers at a Barnacle site enraged because I was taunting them at first from my hidden SRV and then from my extremely fast engineered iEagle. I was recently also blown up in Open when in my Anaconda which was outfitted for AX weapons and the scoundrel (they know who they are!
) who did it had been pretending to fight a Thargoid which had been kited to nearby a starport, who then basically just backstabbed me. Lessons learned there were many, including players in Open can be right old Richards
But on the whole, I take no pleasure in direct-pew-pew-PvP. It's boring as hell - speaking for myself.
