Morai CG Payment

[aRJay]

Sorry, but if you actually read my quotes and still think that this was "intentional" by FD then you are either terrible at math and simply don't understand the numbers involved or you think that making ridiculous claims is something that you can do on these forums without someone calling you on it.

I think you are ignoring the earlier build a capital ship CGs, the last Federation one paid ten million credits at the 10% level at tier 3 less than halfway through this CG was at that level when between tiers 3 & 4 the only difference is this one completed.

Yes these military funded capital ship CGs pay above the average but then they are backed by one of the major powers most of the other recent ones have paid a great deal less but then they are generally funded on a more local level, or at least that is how the brief reads to me.

My understanding of mathematics is patchy, my understanding of numbers is like most people's vague once they get into the realms of many but where that cut off is varies.

 

[Terrator]

i will spend all my credits so they cant take em away from me
i recommend everyone to do the same!

 

[Dillontheman]

It seems that the idea of game balance is a difficult concept for you to understand.

Your idea of game balance doesnt fit in the E universe whatsoever

 

[wenkman]

What will happen is that players who become fed up with FD making these types of massive mistakes in game balance will choose to play other games.

... and the 60h play time per year...

well th CG payout does not destroy the balance in dealing with the game. it maybe does destroy the balance between human players, but this is only relevant if you do PvP. the PvP-players do not represent the whole player base. so basically this CG was bad for PvP because of the victims have better ships now (yeah, rant i know).

60h playtime per year are roughly 1h per week. i am definitely a casual gamer and easily can do more than that. even if totally noobs get a big cr-reward, they still are not head on with the old players. there is still the reputation, ranks and experience they have to gain. so money alone does not make a powerful pilot.

 

[Devari]

You whine about balance, so here, let me present to you someone with all the ships and one billion in assets. Does that ruin your balance? If no, why the hell do you care that anyone lesser got any closer to his status?

You're on a KoS list, enjoy Solo.

Thanks for clarifying, you're being reported for breaching the TOS in Elite Dangerous. Any player friends of yours who attempt to grief me will be reported and their accounts will face similar consequences.

 

[Kershek]

You whine about balance, so here, let me present to you someone with all the ships and one billion in assets. Does that ruin your balance? If no, why the hell do you care that anyone lesser got any closer to his status?

You're on a KoS list, enjoy Solo.

Why on earth would you actively seek out a player and kill him because he has a different opinion from you on a forum?

 

[A. C. Dobro VI]

Thanks for clarifying, you're being reported for breaching the TOS in Elite Dangerous. Any player friends of yours who attempt to grief me will be reported and their accounts will face similar consequences.

It doesn't work like that. I can put you on a public KoS list for whatever reason I choose, this is a public forum of opinion after all. So enjoy reporting any CMDR who kills you, because I've had it up to here with your holier-than-thou attitude. The appropriate response would be to place a KoS bulletin for me, but you're just a whiny      and we've got a whole thread of proof.

 

[PavelKCZ]

i mean what will happen?

FD will not take that money back, they can't. some already spent it, they can't treat the bunch of us individually (cause they don't have the people to check 11k accounts in short time), they can't revert to and old save *and* the outrage of 11k players is more than the outrage of, i'd say, 30 envious non participants.

so i say the support notice is only to satisfy the people complainin and it will end with a notice that nothing can be done now and FD will be more careful with CG rewards in the future.

Well, from the technical point of view, they can do rollback. It is a simple database operation, which is used in other MMO games in similar situations (game bug, large scale exploit after patch etc.).
Simply all transactions of the game server are unrolled to some point in the past. Let's say to Sunday morning. After rollback, the bug/exploit is corrected and server starts again. All player progress made from the point of rollback is lost.

I saw this solution several times in other MMOs, but never in ED. FD will probably do not this, but from technical point of view, it is a simple operation although extremely unpopular.

 

[Ian Phillips]

It doesn't work like that. I can put you on a public KoS list for whatever reason I choose, this is a public forum of opinion after all.....

No you can't. The forum has a strict policy of not allowing any witch hunts.

 

[Devari]

It doesn't work like that. I can put you on a public KoS list for whatever reason I choose, this is a public forum of opinion after all. So enjoy reporting any CMDR who kills you, because I've had it up to here with your holier-than-thou attitude. The appropriate response would be to place a KoS bulletin for me, but you're just a whiny and we've got a whole thread of proof.

Your post has been reported. FD takes TOS violations quite seriously.

 

[A. C. Dobro VI]

Why on earth would you actively seek out a player and kill him because he has a different opinion from you on a forum?

Because he's specifically whining about "PvP balance". I figure a demonstration on exactly how balanced the game is is in order.

 

[Devari]

Well, from the technical point of view, they can do rollback. It is a simple database operation, which is used in other MMO games in similar situations (game bug, large scale exploit after patch etc.).
Simply all transactions of the game server are unrolled to some point in the past. Let's say to Sunday morning. After rollback, the bug/exploit is corrected and server starts again. All player progress made from the point of rollback is lost.

I saw this solution several times in other MMOs, but never in ED. FD will probably do not this, but from technical point of view, it is a simple operation although extremely unpopular.

Although FD could do this, I doubt that they will, mostly because some players will have already spent the credits and won't be happy about having something taken away from them. The bigger issue is how FD is gong to balance things going forward, given that a small number of players have been given 100-200 million of "easy" credits and other haven't.

 

[A. C. Dobro VI]

No you can't. The forum has a strict policy of not allowing any witch hunts.

Wait, so a CMDR can complain about PvP on the forum but I can't PvP him and bring friends? Or I could if I don't indicate so first? What the     ?

 

[Devari]

Wait, so a CMDR can complain about PvP on the forum but I can't PvP him and bring friends? Or I could if I don't indicate so first? What the ?

That's right. Targeting a specific player in the game is not allowed and it never has been.

 

[JYD75]

How exactly will it unbalance PVP? Other than Pirates having it harder because all the small bait upgrades? That is normal, get robbed, get a bigger gun, same thing here.

And if we want to talk CG balance then tue rewards should be done differently. A sidey pilot doing 100 trips should get more that a big ship doing it in one because he worked more for it. Thing is that will never happen, but it would be "fair" depending on which side of the fence you are on. As with everything else in this game.

 

[A. C. Dobro VI]

That's right. Targeting a specific player in the game is not allowed and it never has been.

That's stupid, how can FDev ever expect to enforce it? I could target you without making you aware first, is that better? [rolleyes]

Besides, if I managed to find you in a galaxy of 400 billion systems, I damn well deserve to blow you from the skies.

 

[Ian Phillips]

First point. You seem to be losing words in most of your posts..... try NOT swearing - it improves the readability of what you are writing.

Second point. Read what I wrote. You will not be permitted to post a KoS list on this forum.

Edit:
Third point - this thread is about the payouts in a CG - not about starting a personal vendetta. Please get back to the subject of the thread, as your "discussion" is way off topic.

Thank you.

 

[wenkman]

Well, from the technical point of view, they can do rollback. It is a simple database operation, which is used in other MMO games in similar situations (game bug, large scale exploit after patch etc.).
Simply all transactions of the game server are unrolled to some point in the past. Let's say to Sunday morning. After rollback, the bug/exploit is corrected and server starts again. All player progress made from the point of rollback is lost.

I saw this solution several times in other MMOs, but never in ED. FD will probably do not this, but from technical point of view, it is a simple operation although extremely unpopular.

yes, i know (i'm in IT too )

but they can't do it because then many other users will complain that the progress since yesterday is lost. if you cant individually deal with the accounts you must choose the option that angers the smallest amount of users and endure the fallout

(IT is always about angering the smalles group)

 

[Devari]

That's stupid, how can FDev ever expect to enforce it? I could target you without making you aware first, is that better? [rolleyes]

Besides, if I managed to find you in a galaxy of 400 billion systems, I damn well deserve to blow you from the skies.

That's not how TOS works. You do something against TOS, a player reports it, and FD enforces the TOS.

 

[A. C. Dobro VI]

post a KoS list on this forum.

I had no intention. I have a few KoS lists with various groups, that's what I meant. Is this not allowed? I can't dislike another CMDR? Is this Elite: Safe Space?

Nothing better than solving a stupid forum disagreement with some actual gameplay, unless that isn't your cup of tea.

Anyways, the whole notion was just to prove a point. The game is already imbalanced, including PvP/multiplayer. I know people with every ship in the game. I know people with just one. I know people in between. The whole argument about balance is moot, one can say it's balance, the other can say it isn't. Neither is right. Balance is whatever FDev wants it to be. Devari isn't the final authority on game balance. The end.

One more thing: "FDev made a mistake" vs "FDev did this intentionally" --> Only FDev knows. Are you FDev?