And what is the current fiction? based on rumours some of the new books are not canon anymore.
I like the current fiction but I would like to now more about the inner workings of the world so I can role play
Mr. Brookes please confirm this lore change.
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I like the current fiction but I would like to now more about the inner workings of the world so I can role play
Yes, I've read your list of posts.
As far as I know, the only confirmed change related to the new official books is the frameshift drive. The Gollancz novels were written before this was introduced.
And I guess even that might be handwaved as late adoption of the FSD, not like as soon as it was invested everyone was using it the nextday
I have to be honest I am confused a lot. so if anyone could help me work this out.
Have we been at war with the thargoids? I know in the first game we were.
Then there was the rumour that the old games are not canon , yet in this very old vid he sais we have been at war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6z5OK8J5pg&list=PL7glm5rbPHKway8jUwKEw6MeWjC4voHD4
So whats canon then? we have had a war or not?
Have we been at war with the thargoids? I know in the first game we were.
Then there was the rumour that the old games are not canon , yet in this very old vid he sais we have been at war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6z5OK8J5pg&list=PL7glm5rbPHKway8jUwKEw6MeWjC4voHD4
So whats canon then? we have had a war or not?
This is where the confusion lies. Frontier has decided to selectively pick and choose what is and what isn't canon from the older games. Examples:
"The Dark Wheel" by Robert Holdstock is not canon yet Remlok, which first appears in The Dark Wheel IS canon and The Dark Wheel as an organization does exist in Elite Dangerous.
Past encounters with the Thargoids do appear to be canon but the generally accepted 'endgame' from Frontier First Encounters does NOT appear to be canon.
I was looking at putting together an expedition to try and locate the Mayflower '97 (generation ship mentioned in First Encounters) and while I doubt that the ship actually exists in the game I thought it would be fun to have some mentions of it and our reconnaissance effort in Galnet. That is on hold now since I have no way of knowing if the Mayflower '97 is still part of the canon. All the work I've spent designing a mission patch and drafting Galnet press releases has now been shelved.
That's very sad, and I think an example of one of the many community initiatives that exist that will be affected by this change.
I actually wrote a document explaining the incorporation of FSD and what happened to Star Dreamer. However, that was right at the end of the development process. I've no idea whether it became official or not.
There is also information at the start of Lave Revolution which gives an indication of the change, as Lave Revolution was set in AD 3265, and they didn't have FSD.
Cool, Lave revolution is next on my reading list once work dies down
Right , so I am just going to let go.
If its not in the books , or in elite dangerous its not canon. that may not be true , but thats how I am going to look at things from now on.
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Its a great book , and some of it hints at the potential future of what we can expect from elite dangerous as a game.
such as astroid bases !
In light of what Allen said in Lave Radio episode 113, should we now start petitioning FD for a lore guide?
If this thread itself doesn't count as a petition then maybe this one does. We could also post in the chat during a livestream (CQC tomorrow?) or in the questions thread that's usually posted ahead of an interview livestream.
Yes ! I have been doing that for a while.
But I dont think they care about the lore that much... I hope I am wrong
I don't think it's that they don't care - it's that they don't want to be trapped by it. And it's a legitimate concern. Look at how comic books eventually get burdened down by continuity issues time and again. Or hell, the Star Wars Expanded universe before it became Legends.
The lore had to change between Elite and Frontier/First Encounters. The lore may well have to change again to make things work. You lay down your history in stone and suddenly you might have a problem introducing something you want/need for the game without contradicting it. Eventually you get bogged down in workarounds and it just becomes more and more things to juggle.
Don't get me wrong, I hope they come out with a canon lore guide they can stick with... I'm just pointing out why it's not the easiest thing to approach.
The issue with the StarWars expanded universe is they had no QA , thats how fan-fic like ''vector prime'' became ''canon''
I love disney for making vector prime non canon and saving the franchise with the new unified canon
I would have to agree. The Timothy Zahn books were pretty good... but the plot lines quickly became stale after that. Even as a 17-year old nerd, I became bored by them. There are only so many "can the fledgling New Republic and the heroes from the movies stand in the face of the newest uncovered Imperial superweapon/ warlord/ Dark Side User?" The answer was: of course they can, because plot. And then I'd put the book back, having saved myself time and money.
The lowest point in the EU for me was the Courtship of Princess Leia, where Han actually kidnaps her to a royal wedding from taking place, and she gradually falls in love with him because of... I dunno, Stockholm Syndrome? The whole thing just reads very awkwardly in 2016, especially if you're one of those weirdos who thinks of women as human beings.
Thats why before disney saved star wars I only considered the RPG guides , Video games and one or two books canon...
For me it was vector prime that killed it with its aliens from a different galaxy that are all evil every last one of them.
The new canon actualy has QA and everything has to be checked and put on a logical timeline.
I hope FD work that way with the ED canon
Ohhhh... I forgot the Yuuzhan Vong! Yeah. That was when the Star Wars transitioned from Stale Ideas to Out of Ideas. And then the half-hearted attempt to cash in on the zombie craze from years back with Death Troopers...
Indeed, Disney saved the franchise with the Death Star-sized blast of NOPE at the EU.
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EU had all sorts of problems typical of fanfiction, with minor details of characters turning into large cultural signifiers. I like Lindsay Ellis's rundown of how the concept of what a Jedi is and represents changed over time amongst fandom.
[video=youtube;U0LhGn6jihI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0LhGn6jihI[/video]
[video=youtube;U0LhGn6jihI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0LhGn6jihI[/video]
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rootsrat
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I did ask about this at Lavecon. Michael confirmed that Elite Dangerous is a reboot in a way - one reason is the scale and size of the new galaxy that Frontier was able to create due to the modern technology. Many systems are not where there used to be in the previous games, the borders have changed etc. I have also asked about the new official timeline and Michael's answer was "We may publish a new timeline in the future."
Javert
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I kind of got the impression that part of the timeline will be filled in by the passenger missions. They talked about how some of the passenger missions will involve visiting places of interest, and at some of them you will be able to get information about what happened at those places and how it fits into the overall history etc.