Multicrew trolling - it works!
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Somehow I expected nothing less from you Terminatrixxx!
Sounds like you had some fun and I am left thankful I have no need for heat-sinks while exploring and also that you are on Xbox causing mayhem.
The problem with that is...it goes against the vision of multi crew. Sandro even said it himself a few pages back...their vision is friendly fun, cooperative play, meet new people, make new friends. The whole holo-me telepresence was an explanaiton to allow for essentially no barriers to access...drop in drop out anytime anywhere. The lack of consequence for crew members with regards to rebuy cost, repair bills, wanted tags, bounties...those were all things that were seen as barriers for people wanting to be a crew member. By giving the helm the ability to further limit already limited gameplay opportunity for a crew member is not conducive to how they have envisioned it.
Hello again, Sandro,
On this point, simply allowing the Helm CMDR to toggle a Multi-crew fire restriction setting called "Hostiles Only" would eliminate 100% of this issue. With this setting toggled ON, the multi-crew weapons would simply NOT fire or lock if aimed at a non-hostile ship. Same as other games where the weapon will not fire (or even lowers away) when pointed at a friendly unit. Now, the Multi-crew players have full play ability to open fire on hostile ships, but cannot cause any abuses. They can fire on the Helm's target hostile ships in a RES scenario, and all enemy side ships in a CZ. When the gunsight is over a non-hostile... the trigger just doesn't function, same as a weapon being out of range. This setting has exactly the same effect on the SLF weapons, too, allowing them to only fire on a targeted hostile unit.
If a Helm CMDR turns this setting OFF, well the Multi-crew can play exactly as they do today. Choosing their own targets.
At the core, this is a problem of developing trust between the players. When playing with strangers, I need to *first* have an opportunity to develop some trust in them. Playing some, observing their skill, their focus, their actions, how well they communicate. When I find some other player who shows traits I like, I put them on the friend list. I give them some more control of the ship. A relationship develops, proven in play by both sides. I do this in other games, it works fine.
But starting cold turkey with letting every random player able to get me into trouble for laughs and then vanish, and my best choice in defense is to limit my Multi-crew to inviting trusted players already on my friends list... Well, my friend list will never grow that way.
My own preference as a Helm CMDR, would be to have limits in place (meaning I retain all defensive module control, and choose to block gunners/SLF from non-hostile fire). With such basic protections in place, then the hooligans have no game, no chance, to reason to bother. Meaningful play is all that is possible on that initial layer of player interaction, and from within that constructive frame of reference, the chance to meet other like-minded CMDRs and add to the friend list.
Thanks again!
Sadro, I'm sorry but you are wrong here. Disincentivising unwanted behaviour and creating efficient sanctions (and rewards) is a core part of game design for multiplayer games. Trying to dodge these responsibilities is unworthy of FD and the game.
+1. Sensible advice for the current situation.
I would go further than this. I think FD should be collecting stats on players with an aim to detect anti-social behaviour. Things like being kicked and blocked from Multi-crew if it occurs frequently are strong indicators of anti-social behaviour. Likewise, a player who repeatedly kicks and blocks other players would be red flagged.
If too many red flags occur then automatically shunt the player into Shadow-Open (effectively Solo) where they cannot interact with other players, at all. You could perhaps allow them to enter the private groups of friends, or be invited by friends into multi-crew, that sort of thing where the other player they are interacting with has expressly indicated they want to interact.
If, after they have been released back into the wild they get flagged again, perhaps twice more, then more serious measures ought to be taken, or the length of the ban ought to extend and extend perhaps becoming permanent.
Obviously, the devil is in the details and the means by which red flags are raised is going to be crucial to whether an idea like this is even possible. There would need to be a process of appeal and some mechanism whereby players can plead their case and provide evidence to support themselves, etc.
Of course, this would all have to be included in the game TOS etc to make it "legal" etc. The sooner we can get rid of these sorts of players the better, IMO.
Regarding the OP. Trolling is easy to do, but it's impossible to stop. Trolls troll, one way or another. It's a classic problem, isn't it. Even given the biggest, cleanest canvas, someone is going to draw a [sexual organ]** on it. That's just fact. Because I'd draw one, straight away.
In my opinion, if you troll that hardcore in a multi-crew session, you are to blame, not the devs for letting it happen*. At the end of the day, if you are acting horribly to other players and they're not enjoying playing with you, that's you. Sandro is absolutely correct in saying:
Obviously the golden rule is relevant: treat crews how you'd like them to treat you.
* Note: FDev still have a responsibility to stop trolls breaking the main rules of the game to the detriment of all. But it's not their responsibility to stop you acting like an unfriendly example of an Elite player.
** Forum filtered out my swear.
In my opinion, if you troll that hardcore in a multi-crew session, you are to blame, not the devs for letting it happen*. At the end of the day, if you are acting horribly to other players and they're not enjoying playing with you, that's you. Sandro is absolutely correct in saying:
Obviously the golden rule is relevant: treat crews how you'd like them to treat you.
* Note: FDev still have a responsibility to stop trolls breaking the main rules of the game to the detriment of all. But it's not their responsibility to stop you acting like an unfriendly example of an Elite player.
** Forum filtered out my swear.
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All of this has been brought up and the need for a fix been stressed in the beta forum. They didn't listen and relased a multicrew implementation full of trolling/griefing potential.
Personally I can only recommend everybody to accept only close friends as crew until they fix these issues.
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Yeah, I'm in a very contrarian mood today
I'm not sure what you're getting at
Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough
TERMINATRIXXX
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You get it wrong
I only help the community by showing design flaws to everyone and ensure that everyone is aware of it, nothing more nothing less.
Maybe i'm the annoying guest in your ship and i'm a terrible player but i don't stop....and ofcourse i'm responsible for my actions.....but hey....we always get a second chance....and a third....and infinite accounts.
Here, throw you a bone, i declare a war now (for roleplay reasons), i will infiltrate as many ships i can to reduce the influence.
Btw. i have changed my gamertag, if you haven't blocked me already i'm now incognito
Shame on you FDev!!!! You should expect sociopathic behavior from at least 10% of your customer base and plan accordingly. It's not the fault of poor innocent little trolls that they derive their fun from spoiling everyone else's fun, it's your fault for allowing it to happen!!!!!
Perhaps one day there will be a game mechanic allowing us to drag the little &^$$*% to the air lock and spacing her sorry &^%$. That would solve the problem.
Just my $.02
Perhaps one day there will be a game mechanic allowing us to drag the little &^$$*% to the air lock and spacing her sorry &^%$. That would solve the problem.
Just my $.02
You get it wrong
I only help the community by showing design flaws to everyone and ensure that everyone is aware of it, nothing more nothing less.
Maybe i'm the annoying guest in your ship and i'm a terrible player but i don't stop....and ofcourse i'm responsible for my actions.....but hey....we always get a second chance....and a third....and infinite accounts.
Here, throw you a bone, i declare a war now (for roleplay reasons), i will infiltrate as many ships i can to reduce the influence.
Btw. i have changed my gamertag, if you haven't blocked me already i'm now incognito
No, I'm afraid you are totally transparent. And, easy as pie to avoid. I dare you: Empty my ship of Heat Sinks. Do your worst. I don;t have to hide my name, look me up in-game.
Ah, i see, people should be greatful to you. You can join a long illustrious list of players who have also taken this onerous task upon themselves over the years. One of the first was a famous commander with itchy body parts, not sure where he is, but thanks to his actions, missiles were nerfed into the ground for well over a year. Oh yes, we have so much to be thankful for people like you and him.
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Hi. Can I join multi-crew and press the self-destruct button...?
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