Unfortunately your definition of “griefing” matches my definition of “area denial”.Hehe, ok ok...'my opinion' so we can add fuel to the fire!
Assault: illegal aggression that presumes intent to murder
Murder: the illegal destruction of a target
- Technically, assault doesn't necessitate intent to murder
- Assault is simply illegally engaging in aggression with a target
Smuggling: the illegal transportation of goods
- Target must be legal
- Target can be inferior, superior, or matched
- Mass Murder will likely involve ganking, but doesn't necessarily have to
- Mass Murder can involve griefing, but usually does not
Piracy: the illegal attempt to acquire goods.
- The goods don't have to be illegal, just their transportation
- Destruction or aggression play no role in smuggling - instead, they elevate it to piracy
Ganking: the illegal destruction of inferior targets
- Target can themselves be illegal, too
- Piracy is defined by the possession of the goods - the goods do not belong to the pirate, in other words
- Pirates technically cannot 'pirate' other pirates. That's just repossessing already stolen goods
- Piracy can involve destruction, as is typical for salvaging pirates - what matters is the illicit pursuit of goods
- Piracy doesn't require the actual acquisition of goods, just the illegal attempt to acquire goods
- The above does, however, differentiate 'good' pirates from 'stupid' pirates. All pirates are bad, so the point is moot.
Griefing: The repetitious aggression of a non-consenting target
- The action must be illegal
- The target must be considered inferior: unable to reasonably defend or escape aggression
- 'Why' the ganking occurs has no bearing on the action - you can be both a ganker and a pirate, for example
Camping: the illegal restriction or threat of restriction of movement
- The skill or lack thereof of the target has no bearing on the action
- Repetition is what makes griefing different from piracy or ganking
- Griefing does not apply to many targets: that is just mass ganking or piracy, as it isn't repetitious to the individual targets
- If target repeatedly encounters griefer willfully they are consenting, and therefore not being griefed
- Given the above, Mass Murders usually don't usually involve griefing because targets will either intentionally subject themselves - consensual - or will avoid conflict, and thus repetitious targeting, both of which nullify griefing
Not sure what I'm missing...I think that's all of it.
- Camping does not require destruction or even direct interaction
- Camping is merely the threat of murder or assault, not their actual actions
- Camping only occurs if it actually restricts the movement of the target - if the target ignores the threat and escapes the camp, they weren't being camped
- Camping is 'illegal' in game rules, but not actual in-game laws because it can't be reported to in-game authorities
- Given the above, if there were no 'rules' for the game...Camping would not be illegal, unless the threat was enforced with an illegal action
- Typically, but not always, Camping is established after illegal actions have already occurred.
- Given the above, Camping is usually only effective before illegal actions if the Camper has a reputation that reinforces the validity of their threat to target
- Technically, Camping is an act of Griefing as it is a continuous - and therefore repetitious - illegal action against a non-consenting target
have been telling you guys all along, alliance is the same scum as feds and imps, just poorer.But I think (like a lot of people) he didn’t realise that in Gateway you are either hurting or helping the Alliance. I should have killed him a few times to make him take his rando mission running elsewhere.
Thanks. I'm a fan of both KLF and the Illuminatus Trilogy, which has references to Bob Dobbs in it. My squadron title is SubgeniusThe lack of seeing other players, is that typical for you?
*side note - I I like your avatar. I always enjoyed the "concept" of JAM/KLF but never fully subscribed.
No no, area denial is more akin to camping than griefing - but it is a form of illegal restriction that isn't repetitive, and thus not griefing.Unfortunately your definition of “griefing” matches my definition of “area denial”.
It doesn’t matter WHY someone chooses to make an area hot. There are lots of reasons. “Area denial” just means ANYONE who goes there is a target.
“Don’t go here - or be ready to fight”
You probably know why. Open gaming with no restriction just attracts every cretinous loser going. It's driven many a player away from open entirely (myself including). I play in Mobius now....which is basically solo on PS4. Just accept some people are anti-social and derive fun from trying to ruin other people's game experience. Braben has already intimated in the past he is acutely aware how this behaviour tends to ruin open mmo type games. The uptick in ganking is ironically likely to lead to restrictions on ganking.This. I've been hit several times in the past week by commanders who simply interdict and then open fire, with no comms or indication why they want to kill me. As I stated earlier, I typically fly in open, and accept murder as part of the game. I'm just curious why and I've noticed an uptick in this sort of activity.
Dude, If you are running missions in Achenar, Nanomam, Rhea, Gateway, then you are either working FOR or AGAINST that power.have been telling you guys all along, alliance is the same scum as feds and imps, just poorer.
sorry, mr self entitled, to happen to be running missions in your own private galaxy like a filthy infidel!
actually, things being different you would be giving me a good motivation to do exactly that. but i bet you must be already really enraged about cheats upsetting your precious bgs. there's an interesting thread about it, go take a look, and have your say
This.Sorry, I don't buy it. Ask yourself, what's special about Deciat? There are two obvious reasons for ganking there:
(1) It's the first engineer players unlock, so you can find inexperienced pilots to attack.
(2) There's a good chance that someone arriving there has just trogged all the way from Maia with one meta-alloy on board: max salt if you destroy them.
I just don't think people who are attracted to inexperienced victims and salt will be at all interested in a place where real PvP is on offer. Providing PvP content therefore won't change the situation in Deciat at all.
Well, if you sort your void Opal pricing I might dump a few loads.Dude, If you are running missions in Achenar, Nanomam, Rhea, Gateway, then you are either working FOR or AGAINST that power.
There are no “If”s or “but”s.
Everything you do affects the BGS.
It’s a big galaxy, do some homework about the system you are in and who it belongs to - or go somewhere else.
which is irrelevant to me. but feel free to gather more enemies!Dude, If you are running missions in Achenar, Nanomam, Rhea, Gateway, then you are either working FOR or AGAINST that power.
if these delusions are a frequent phenomenon, it would be worth checking. or you simply have a fascist mindset. same.It’s a big galaxy, do some homework about the system you are in and who it belongs to - or go somewhere else.