My open letter to Fdev

[Ziggy Stardust]

It doesn't matter. on the first day we attacked Mobius players in the CG, I scouted it to see if anyone was even doing it. Over an hour I watched as T9s, Condas, and Cutters rolled through constantly. The cutter probably made 5 runs in that amount of time alone. Considering he had bare min. internals and 4 mine launchers, I would bank that he was hauling around 800 tons each run unobstructed. This is also unfair to those who actually try to get in the top 5 in open, who have to deal with actual resistance. Frankly, your just wrong. period. The fact you can't see reason and common sense tells everyone how pathetic you folk can be.

Coming from a mode invading <please don't> player like you I consider that a compliment.

 

[Titan Left]

I don't find it selfish at all to play the game I bought, which I did indeed verify that solo play was possible after having played WoW up until I reached level where it was group up to do this instance or that instance, where I quit playing. I learned that I had zero interest in playing with others. Elite is one of my most treasured memories in gaming, so yeah, I snapped at the chance of a remake. I was giddy at the first sight in 30 years of the rotating slot of a coriolis station. Even stepped into open in the early days only to be ganked with accompanying messages lifted straight out of Southpark. Quickly decided that was anything but fun and have been playing solo ever since. It still baffles me that to some players, that's some kind of mortal sin that should invoke the wrath of the gaming gods.

And yes, I take great offense at people who invade mobius to pick on those who don't want to be picked on, etc. I make no apologies for that because no apology is necessary. No one of character would ever look kindly upon such actions. That's just the mettle I'm made of, and I'm proud of it.

Entirely agree. Had Elite Dangerous been entirely Open I wouldn't have bought it as I don't like MMOs. I guess in my mind I didn't buy an MMO so there is nothing illogical to me about playing an 'online' game alone.

 

[Arindor]

Cant you see the inherent selfishness? You want to participate in a COMMUNITY goal in an online game using SOLO play (playing alone is in direct contradiction with community) to effect the COMMUNITY, but you dont want other players to be able to effect YOUR gameplay experience.

The mental gymnastics required to think this way and even feel justified in thinking it are astounding. And yet here we are...

"Community" does not exclusively refer to online PvP/open in ED, and it's ridiculous to believe such twaddle. The BGS and CGs, no matter what mode you're in, makes us all part of that community. ED is a game for everyone, and it's about time some players respect that instead of sounding inherently selfish themselves.

 

[CMDR John Casey]

on the first day we attacked Mobius players in the CG, I scouted it to see if anyone was even doing it. Over an hour I watched as T9s, Condas, and Cutters rolled through constantly. The cutter probably made 5 runs in that amount of time alone.

Ah! That's why I couldn't find you in open, you were hiding in mobius! I was waiting for some 13th prey at ramsbottom in open and the only ships I saw were a seamless flow of cutters, condas and pythons...

Btw tell me how to recognize a 13th player, because I hunted a wanted player and he told me he was an independent one...

 

[JughedJones]

[video=youtube;2r82YRkLAQA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r82YRkLAQA&list=RD2r82YRkLAQA#t=14[/video]

 

[n4p0l3on]

Cant you see the inherent selfishness? You want to participate in a COMMUNITY goal in an online game using SOLO play (playing alone is in direct contradiction with community) to effect the COMMUNITY, but you dont want other players to be able to effect YOUR gameplay experience.

The mental gymnastics required to think this way and even feel justified in thinking it are astounding. And yet here we are...

Athena used the BGS to shutdown the market for everyone. PvErs whined to force FDev to open the market back up. What Athena did was legit. What FDev did was not.

Demanding others to play by your rules is a far more sure sign of selfishness compared to wanting to be left alone.

 

[Tall_Toot]

Agree with the OP; the current system is a farce.

Shame that the only way to prove a point was to spoil the game play of a private group of players for one evening - unlike every evening that serious PP players are left frustrated by this broken mechanic. But prove the point it does.

I haven't yet seen a sound reasoned argument for allowing private PP participation in this thread or any other, just complaints about party crashers. I've no affiliation with the 13th, nor do I have any like of true griefers, but at least try listening to what they are trying to say.

 

[Avago Earo]

Ah! That's why I couldn't find you in open, you were hiding in mobius! I was waiting for some 13th prey at ramsbottom in open and the only ships I saw were a seamless flow of cutters, condas and pythons...

Btw tell me how to recognize a 13th player, because I hunted a wanted player and he told me he was an independent one...

Good Post. Speaks volumes doesn't it?

 

[Nightshady]

They already did it and their leader (according to his own post) was already banned by FD for doing it. It does not seem that FD somehow liked or admired what those boys did in Moebius group.

I never said I was banned by FD. I was kicked from Mobius because apparently it's against their private server rules to run a proper blockade. Who knew...

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Rational, as in thinking an entire group of people have some sort of collective monkey wrench to throw in to the works of a CG. I'm a member, didn't care about the CG, kept on trading.



Actually they did break the rules. They used false pretense in order to gain access to Mobius, a PvE group, in order to carry out PvP on the players therein. Our players don't do PvP outside of combat zones, and no this does not qualify. So they willingly went against EULA and griefed. End of story.

What exactly does 'false pretenses' mean? I had been a member of Mobius for months. I didn't use a secondary or fake account. I didn't sign up on a website or FB page. I simply searched 'Mobius' and asked for admission months ago and it was granted. That is 'false pretenses' how?

 

[Icebergdx]

People with your attitude is why the game is broken.

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we did NOT violate the EULA... your "Mobius rules" have zero relevance. PERIOD

No, people like YOU who feel that "Your" mode of play is the only correct one, and then breaking EULA to force that mode of play on a PVE private group is what is ruining the game. Your ARROGANCE that you and you alone are the arbiter of propriety, and all who disagree are wrong is what is ruining the game.

And if your group did not violate EULA, then where oh where is your self proclaimed leader? Oh, he is banned for that activity. Ergo, he, and others like him in your group, DID violate EULA.

Give it up, you cannot win, there is WAY too much video evidence of your groups actions, way to many reports made with that evidence, and way too many instances on facebook, redditt, and in these forums of your group bragging about violating the EULA. You should probably do the wise thing and tone it down, before someone at FDev decides that your actions are as ban worthy as some of your fellow group members.

 

[Nightshady]

Youre right. Why this group is allowed to break the rules and infiltrate mobious on a regular basis is beyond me.

No 13th Legion member has ever had an issue in Mobius until last weekend. Most of us have had access for months for one reason or another.

 

[Goose4291]

No, people like YOu who feel that "Your" mode of play is the only correct one, and then breaking EULA to force that mode of play on a PVE private group is what is ruining the game. Your ARROGANCE that you and you alone are the arbiter of propriety, and all who disagree are wrong is what is ruining the game.

And if your group did not violate EULA, then where oh where is your self proclaimed leader? Oh, he is banned for that activity. Ergo, he, and others like him in your group, DID violate EULA.

Give it up, you cannot win, there iw WAY too much video evidence of your groups actions, way to many reportts made with that evidence, and way too many instances on facebook, redditt, and in these forums of your group bragging about violating the EULA. You should probably do the wise thing and tone it down, before someone at FDev decides that your actions are as ban worthy as some of your fellow group members.

nightshady, who posted above you, is the 13ths leader.

 

[Nightshady]

No, people like YOu who feel that "Your" mode of play is the only correct one, and then breaking EULA to force that mode of play on a PVE private group is what is ruining the game. Your ARROGANCE that you and you alone are the arbiter of propriety, and all who disagree are wrong is what is ruining the game.

And if your group did not violate EULA, then where oh where is your self proclaimed leader? Oh, he is banned for that activity. Ergo, he, and others like him in your group, DID violate EULA.

Give it up, you cannot win, there iw WAY too much video evidence of your groups actions, way to many reportts made with that evidence, and way too many instances on facebook, redditt, and in these forums of your group bragging about violating the EULA. You should probably do the wise thing and tone it down, before someone at FDev decides that your actions are as ban worthy as some of your fellow group members.

Lol... I am the leader of the 13th Legion. I'm not banned. I've been working all day to bring down the CG again before it's over.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Agree with the OP; the current system is a farce.

Shame that the only way to prove a point was to spoil the game play of a private group of players for one evening - unlike every evening that serious PP players are left frustrated by this broken mechanic. But prove the point it does.

I haven't yet seen a sound reasoned argument for allowing private PP participation in this thread or any other, just complaints about party crashers. I've no affiliation with the 13th, nor do I have any like of true griefers, but at least try listening to what they are trying to say.

I can't hear them over the sound of them shooting players in a private group.

The only way to prove it my furry butt.

 

[Nightshady]

No, people like YOu who feel that "Your" mode of play is the only correct one, and then breaking EULA to force that mode of play on a PVE private group is what is ruining the game. Your ARROGANCE that you and you alone are the arbiter of propriety, and all who disagree are wrong is what is ruining the game.

And if your group did not violate EULA, then where oh where is your self proclaimed leader? Oh, he is banned for that activity. Ergo, he, and others like him in your group, DID violate EULA.

Give it up, you cannot win, there iw WAY too much video evidence of your groups actions, way to many reportts made with that evidence, and way too many instances on facebook, redditt, and in these forums of your group bragging about violating the EULA. You should probably do the wise thing and tone it down, before someone at FDev decides that your actions are as ban worthy as some of your fellow group members.

For the record... I'm not a self-proclaimed leader. I was chosen as leader by the Founder of the 13th Legion, CMDR Andariel, for my tactical leadership skills during the Battle of 34 Pegasi.

 

[AJW]

No 13th Legion member has ever had an issue in Mobius until last weekend. Most of us have had access for months for one reason or another.

Are you seriously trying to claim that members of your so-called 'Legion' were unaware that your actions in Mobius were against their rules? I find that hard to reconcile with the Legion's description of SDC as 'terrorists' for doing the same thing:

http://inara.cz/wing-history/592

 

[knowles2]

Overtly aggressive, perhaps. Immature and ill conceived, most definitely. But sociopathic? You really need to get a damned grip on yourself before you go flying into outer space...without your space ship.

The amount of civil unrest caused by one little invasion into a private group just boggles my mind. Where I come from, something like that would just be laughed off as a stupid prank, not worthy of getting hysterical over.

At the end of the day Mobius are the biggest bunch of moaners in the game. An Frontier only make them worse by pandering to their every demand.

 

[Abomination]

Cant you see the inherent selfishness? You want to participate in a COMMUNITY goal in an online game using SOLO play (playing alone is in direct contradiction with community) to effect the COMMUNITY, but you dont want other players to be able to effect YOUR gameplay experience.

The mental gymnastics required to think this way and even feel justified in thinking it are astounding. And yet here we are...

Athena used the BGS to shutdown the market for everyone. PvErs whined to force FDev to open the market back up. What Athena did was legit. What FDev did was not.

+1, well said!
Looks like the pvp team is more open to a living breathing galaxy than most of the pve-ers..
Pun intended.

 

[Goose4291]

I can't hear them over the sound of them shooting players in a private group.

The only way to prove it my furry butt.

You're totally right in that the attacks in Mobius were unnecessary (and the ensuing petty arguments and insult throwing haven't helped but muddy the issue further).

However the issue a lot of people have (namely: Dev magic wanding) still stands as a solid bone of contention.

 

[knowles2]

Cant you see the inherent selfishness? You want to participate in a COMMUNITY goal in an online game using SOLO play (playing alone is in direct contradiction with community) to effect the COMMUNITY, but you dont want other players to be able to effect YOUR gameplay experience.

The mental gymnastics required to think this way and even feel justified in thinking it are astounding. And yet here we are...

Athena used the BGS to shutdown the market for everyone. PvErs whined to force FDev to open the market back up. What Athena did was legit. What FDev did was not.

Couldn't agree with this more. We I could recommend but I have ran out of recommends to give to you.