Oh hey, wow. Thank you. I had a blast reading this at work today. Hilarious. And i mean it. Funny ways of warped minds. Also, this is still open? And people are still actively discussing? 40ish pages later after an opening that would make any parent laugh out loud, pat it's child's head and go on with ..whatever?
We all know this thread is not about PVP/BGS/Mobius but about a group of 'hey look at me' kiddos that chose to get their lolz in bad style and put up a mindbogglingly easy to see through attempt at justification - and now get applauded by like minded 'specialists' "We are at war they are the enemy, everything goes" because that is now the most plausible/lazy way to explain a 'very creative' attempt at explaining 'away' an obviously wrong thing. Ahaha, no. And then there's the bandwagon of legitimacy because of game mechanics, easy to get on, hard to get a seat.
I can't even fathom why people really still need to discuss this - arguments running in circles and still not becoming true with just enough repetition. And then the whole thing gets warped into something that has nothing to do with what the illustrious op or the supporters claim it does. Again.
Ok, watching this for a day, leaving work for home now, but first, let's play.. and sorry, i have nothing left but amused contempt for the way some of you 'argue':
First, you are somehow discussing two things here, PVP/BGS and game-modes making it possible to 'cheat' and the content of the op's letter, which is not the same and makes no sense but more on that later.
Let me start on basis of some rather interesting points about what people believe mobius is (or claim to, because, you know.. if you know the truth you can't use it as excuse anymore) - people are arguing that mobius can influence the bgs - d'oh...as can any other group in the game or solo players? But then to re-enforce the weak logic people pull reasoning out of their ... Nono, it's because mobius is a big group that harms this or that interest. What?!
This is where i can't shake the feeling i'm explaining this to a bunch of wide-eyed 4 year olds with wicked grins on their faces. They know that they are wrong but it's oh so fun.. and hey, for a 4 year-old truth and wishful thinking is easily warped together. Juvenile minds eh..? But still, here goes:
There's a group of people that come 'together' only because they want to see other people but none of the drama (see thread). A big LAN party. Again, there is no organization, other than that you are not supposed to KoS and basically play the game in a mature way. Yes there may have been mobius guys going about their business at the CG - as much as there are Mobius guys in other parts of the galaxy doing ... anything. The 13th Joksters claim to defend the empire. Is that the same empire that many Mobius members are part of or support whenever something interesting comes up? Guess what, Mobius members are frequently and also quite recently participating in events that leave them 'fighting' against each other for their side of the event to succeed, that's how organized we are. It is possible by using the horrible bgs but not easy -and that may be the problem- without spoiling other peoples game.
I'm just returning home from Jaques with a few friends of which 2 happen to be in Mobius, who also didn't even know - or care, that there was anything going on cg-wise. They do care that there is no-one attacking them unprovoked though, while they do whatever they fancy at the moment. Same as opening up a little group with only each others as members. Any other group with a few coordinated members has more influence on the game/bgs as a bunch of people that came 'together' to do anything in the game but kill each other.
So a group that has no organization whatsoever, no agendas, goals or even many members that cooperate on a regular basis and is therefore as much responsible to the outcome of the bgs as any other player in any gamemode, happens to have some of it's members participate in a cg, and that is enough for some warped minds to retroactively justify something that is so very clearly nothing but an attempt to get some lolz, easy kills and pvp epeen boost, which then in turn is used by many here to support their cause of altering gameplay mechanics? What??
By the way, lets not forget the heroic 'fish in a barrel scenario' with tons of the most ridiculous justifications by dedicated pvp'ers - it should make them ashamed they are even coming forward with it. You only targeted Mobius because it was an easy/lazy thing to do. Not because Mobius is the source of your complains.
So, this is all really a thing that's still being discussed? ...by others than people that live off this kind of thing? And - looking at recent posts - those that like to compartmentalize arguments, so it looks like this little wrong is still right and they 'won'?
Hehehe..the same VIP's that didn't think of taking their gripe about game mechanics somewhere where it doesn't screw up other peoples game and is therefore somehow forgoing any legitimization at what they 'claim' this was about.
Anyone listen to their kid having done something bad and justifying it it with a cute but also hilariously impossible explanation that you can do nothing but laugh about? Do you then think about his/her reasoning for longer than 1min and feel like you need to discuss it for hours with your wife or do you dismiss it into the very thin air of which it is made and see that your kid understands what went wrong there?
This is all rather entertaining if you are into surealism, some people in this thread really(?) claim this is a legit way to voice criticism - and even more fun - criticism on something entirely different? Take the part of the discussion about PVP, the BGS and solo/group influence over to the open vs solo thread, maybe? Because it may be kind of a struggle to ignore the other part where a small group of ignorant ...players.. chose to spoil other peoples game and - oh so conveniently - now justify their need to satisfy their glorious craving for attention with the first scapegoat they can find - BGS system is broken (i agree) yeah, that's definitely the primary reason for an epeen waving, chest thumping op like this one, followed up with constructive inputs like "we killed over a hundred hurr durr", targeting a victim that is just conveniently easy to use (and kill) as justification for people that don't like/want to look an inch deeper. Ends justifying the means and such? Give me a break.
Do some of you specialists remember that it was possible to lock down the system without the oh-so-classy move of cowardly surprising and clubbing seals / spoiling other peoples game? Do you actually want to change something for the good or just support your ingenious ways of enjoying other peoples grief and calling that gameplay?
Consider me fascinated and intrigued with this attempt at surreal comedy.
This thread. Let it die?
We all know this thread is not about PVP/BGS/Mobius but about a group of 'hey look at me' kiddos that chose to get their lolz in bad style and put up a mindbogglingly easy to see through attempt at justification - and now get applauded by like minded 'specialists' "We are at war they are the enemy, everything goes" because that is now the most plausible/lazy way to explain a 'very creative' attempt at explaining 'away' an obviously wrong thing. Ahaha, no. And then there's the bandwagon of legitimacy because of game mechanics, easy to get on, hard to get a seat.
I can't even fathom why people really still need to discuss this - arguments running in circles and still not becoming true with just enough repetition. And then the whole thing gets warped into something that has nothing to do with what the illustrious op or the supporters claim it does. Again.
Ok, watching this for a day, leaving work for home now, but first, let's play.. and sorry, i have nothing left but amused contempt for the way some of you 'argue':
First, you are somehow discussing two things here, PVP/BGS and game-modes making it possible to 'cheat' and the content of the op's letter, which is not the same and makes no sense but more on that later.
Let me start on basis of some rather interesting points about what people believe mobius is (or claim to, because, you know.. if you know the truth you can't use it as excuse anymore) - people are arguing that mobius can influence the bgs - d'oh...as can any other group in the game or solo players? But then to re-enforce the weak logic people pull reasoning out of their ... Nono, it's because mobius is a big group that harms this or that interest. What?!
This is where i can't shake the feeling i'm explaining this to a bunch of wide-eyed 4 year olds with wicked grins on their faces. They know that they are wrong but it's oh so fun.. and hey, for a 4 year-old truth and wishful thinking is easily warped together. Juvenile minds eh..? But still, here goes:
There's a group of people that come 'together' only because they want to see other people but none of the drama (see thread). A big LAN party. Again, there is no organization, other than that you are not supposed to KoS and basically play the game in a mature way. Yes there may have been mobius guys going about their business at the CG - as much as there are Mobius guys in other parts of the galaxy doing ... anything. The 13th Joksters claim to defend the empire. Is that the same empire that many Mobius members are part of or support whenever something interesting comes up? Guess what, Mobius members are frequently and also quite recently participating in events that leave them 'fighting' against each other for their side of the event to succeed, that's how organized we are. It is possible by using the horrible bgs but not easy -and that may be the problem- without spoiling other peoples game.
I'm just returning home from Jaques with a few friends of which 2 happen to be in Mobius, who also didn't even know - or care, that there was anything going on cg-wise. They do care that there is no-one attacking them unprovoked though, while they do whatever they fancy at the moment. Same as opening up a little group with only each others as members. Any other group with a few coordinated members has more influence on the game/bgs as a bunch of people that came 'together' to do anything in the game but kill each other.
So a group that has no organization whatsoever, no agendas, goals or even many members that cooperate on a regular basis and is therefore as much responsible to the outcome of the bgs as any other player in any gamemode, happens to have some of it's members participate in a cg, and that is enough for some warped minds to retroactively justify something that is so very clearly nothing but an attempt to get some lolz, easy kills and pvp epeen boost, which then in turn is used by many here to support their cause of altering gameplay mechanics? What??
By the way, lets not forget the heroic 'fish in a barrel scenario' with tons of the most ridiculous justifications by dedicated pvp'ers - it should make them ashamed they are even coming forward with it. You only targeted Mobius because it was an easy/lazy thing to do. Not because Mobius is the source of your complains.
So, this is all really a thing that's still being discussed? ...by others than people that live off this kind of thing? And - looking at recent posts - those that like to compartmentalize arguments, so it looks like this little wrong is still right and they 'won'?
Hehehe..the same VIP's that didn't think of taking their gripe about game mechanics somewhere where it doesn't screw up other peoples game and is therefore somehow forgoing any legitimization at what they 'claim' this was about.
Anyone listen to their kid having done something bad and justifying it it with a cute but also hilariously impossible explanation that you can do nothing but laugh about? Do you then think about his/her reasoning for longer than 1min and feel like you need to discuss it for hours with your wife or do you dismiss it into the very thin air of which it is made and see that your kid understands what went wrong there?
This is all rather entertaining if you are into surealism, some people in this thread really(?) claim this is a legit way to voice criticism - and even more fun - criticism on something entirely different? Take the part of the discussion about PVP, the BGS and solo/group influence over to the open vs solo thread, maybe? Because it may be kind of a struggle to ignore the other part where a small group of ignorant ...players.. chose to spoil other peoples game and - oh so conveniently - now justify their need to satisfy their glorious craving for attention with the first scapegoat they can find - BGS system is broken (i agree) yeah, that's definitely the primary reason for an epeen waving, chest thumping op like this one, followed up with constructive inputs like "we killed over a hundred hurr durr", targeting a victim that is just conveniently easy to use (and kill) as justification for people that don't like/want to look an inch deeper. Ends justifying the means and such? Give me a break.
Do some of you specialists remember that it was possible to lock down the system without the oh-so-classy move of cowardly surprising and clubbing seals / spoiling other peoples game? Do you actually want to change something for the good or just support your ingenious ways of enjoying other peoples grief and calling that gameplay?
Consider me fascinated and intrigued with this attempt at surreal comedy.
This thread. Let it die?
