....so true! Now that the Engineer mods are out they can really pat each others on the back after killing the 50th poor vanilla conda trader in their pimped rides. OP, do you really think there will ever be a fair fight, even if both ships are full modded, if one is in trader config and the other one in battle. No internal means no chance. This is not new, but now you 1. Can kill faster, 2. Have weapons penetrating your shield, 3. Can use torpedos preventing from supercruise/flee 4. Can heat up your enemy so that simply nothing works. Conclusion for traders/victims: Shields and jumping out into supercruise are no reliable options any more and you have not much space left for hull/internal protections (trader with no cargo?). Give me one reason please: Why should act as your victim, I want to have fun too. With the current balancing every attempt to pull the "avarage" player into pvp (by complaining about not working blocades or whatever) will fail.
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....so true! Now that the Engineer mods are out they can really pat each others on the back after killing the 50th poor vanilla conda trader in their pimped rides. OP, do you really think there will ever be a fair fight, even if both ships are full modded, if one is in trader config and the other one in battle. No internal means no chance. This is not new, but now you 1. Can kill faster, 2. Have weapons penetrating your shield, 3. Can use torpedos preventing from supercruise/flee 4. Can heat up your enemy so that simply nothing works. Conclusion for traders/victims: Shields and jumping out into supercruise are no reliable options any more and you have not much space left for hull/internal protections (trader with no cargo?). Give me one reason please: Why should act as your victim, I want to have fun too. With the current balancing every attempt to pull the "avarage" player into pvp (by complaining about not working blocades or whatever) will fail.
There is nothing wrong with Open/PG/Solo PC/XBox system, it was designed this way. The "core" part of the game is BGS, CGs, PP and exploration, rest is optional.
Well in the example of SDC and their home system, it wasn't just Mobius players that took out the home system. If SDC didn't do what they did they wouldn't have made themselves enemies of PvPer, Mobius and anyone else that took offence to their actions. They could of protected it but their own private group rules was PvE was a bannable offense.
Again Mobius is a group of people that don't want to PvP, they are not a collective 50k group forcing the CGs their way. How do I know this? Look at the number of participants joining the CG and would also assume that no other player outside of Mobius joined. Mobius players do what they want where ever they want alligned with whoever they want. The only collective mind is to not shoot each other.
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solo and groups (open is just a group) have been advertised since ks, if CG's and PP are broken these new additions should be removed until FD can make people realise they are working as intended or fix them.
removing open and making everyone form their own groups like the Pve players had to would be a good start, at least people would realise its not special in any way.
yes!!!!iiii make an i want/do not want pvp b4 you can launch the launcer of the game and roll all into open... please!
now THATS gona help... or not. oh and have it in big red script that new starters should push the no pvp button ,,,
now THATS gona help... or not. oh and have it in big red script that new starters should push the no pvp button ,,,
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THEN VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET and do not buy a game which clearly supports mode you find so offensive. Dont try to ruin the game for those perfectly happy with the modes as they are.
are you talkiing about SDC? in which case this is a lie! (if not my mistake) however I was involved with kicking out the dogs, which was done purely because of them invading private groups, however EVERYTHING I did in that was in open.. and there was not 1 SDC member there in that time, and yet there were plenty of players so was not my internet settings.
SDC chose not to defend their faction, therefore they deserved to lose it.
CODE lost their base as well (no idea if they have got it back now?) though according to the CODE they too didnt bother to fight against it.
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Don't you see the delicious irony of it?
Mobius consists of players with varying allegiances. Mobius doesn't act as one. There are imperial and federal players. It's unlikely that Mobius conducted a concerted effort to take part in the CG against the goals of the 13th Lego Naires. So, it was a neutral entity because of that. Until these clowns decided to paint a target on themselves.
Unfortunately the 13th Lego Naires are nobodies in the galaxy. They don't have a home system, or a minor faction. Just some irrelevant plonkers with some ships.
Mobius is NOT a PvE group, joining it and killing players is not against the EULA. When you join Mobius, at no point does Frontier or anyone else ask you to abide by the no-PvP rules of Mobius, and you have no way of figuring out what those ruels are on your own unless you go to an external website that isn't even monitored or managed by Frontier, let alone advertised in the game.
So maybe the reason FD haven't banned the 13th legion yet, or Code, or SDC before them, is because your claim that breaking the hidden, arbitrary rules of a private group that doesn't even do the bare minimum to filter its member is breaking the EULA is all hot air.
Until the in-game process for joining groups explicitely warns players that they are doing so at their own risks and have to abide by private rules, shows the player what those rules are and keeps track of what the rules were at the moment the player joined, it would be ludicrous to put such a burden on the player. And of course the moment players can be punished by the devs for breaking a private group's rules, is the moment moderation tools would have to be taken away from private group ownersas Frontier would be taking over the executive role.
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and again to remind anyone who is suggesting the private groups are breaking the game.. that is the game you bought. Personally if i find a core feature of a game, obnoxious/horrible/game breaking rather than moan and risk ruining if for others, I just buy a different game.
From the kickstarter
We have the concept of “groups”. They can be private groups just of your friends or open groups (that form part of the game) based on the play styles people prefer, and the rules in each can be different. Players will begin in the group “All” but can change groups at will, though it will be possible to be banned from groups due to antisocial behaviour, and you will only meet others in that group.
From the kickstarter
We have the concept of “groups”. They can be private groups just of your friends or open groups (that form part of the game) based on the play styles people prefer, and the rules in each can be different. Players will begin in the group “All” but can change groups at will, though it will be possible to be banned from groups due to antisocial behaviour, and you will only meet others in that group.
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Or until you get banned from the private group for doing PvP.
It's circumventing that 1st ban from a private group that gets you into trouble.
I don't think anyone was banned this time. But if they try this again, they will be under the harassment rules.
They had every chance to protect it - all they had to do was complete missions for their faction to keep their influence up.
Saying they had no chance is utter nonsense - they chose to ban themselves from PvE, that's their own problem.
...until the thargoids show up.
We're in agreement, and I'll even add that generally speaking I think invading Mobius to kill people for the sake of it is bad form (although I'm less critical of those doing it for the sake of affecting a CG or to take the fight home when players in Mobius engage in PvP via the BGS).
Until Thargoids start posting the kind of drivel I see on this forum, I'll take Thargoids over plonkers any day of the week and twice in October....until the thargoids show up.
At least you know all they're after are our precious bodily fluids.
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We are. Rereading my reply it seemed argumentative, but indeed we are
Until Thargoids start posting the kind of drivel I see on this forum, I'll take Thargoids over plonkers any day of the week and twice in October.
At least you know all they're after are our precious bodily fluids.
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We are. Rereading my reply it seemed argumentative, but indeed we are
Click click click, (Butt Wiggle)(Butt Wiggle) click (Butt Wiggle) click click (Salty tears)
I just plugged this into google translate and it came back with:
"I was just about to destroy a filthy human, and he suddenly disappeared! This is unacceptable!!! When is FD going to address combat logging!"
Amazing how much can be said with a few butt wiggles.
It is not a "Player versus Environment" group when they are participating in actions that 'harm' other players - how many Mobius members have undermined any Power during the duration of Powerplay? Interacted with the BGS at all? Participated in CGs with opposing goals?
Not all "PvP" requires an interdictor. What Mobius represents is anathema to fair play in this game. The OP hit it on the head:
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It's just another example of players being too soft. Ignorant players who do not understand the game demanded FDev "fix" the lockdown - and FDev acquiesced. This effectively removes the only way to oppose the without providing an alternative method for effectively opposing this CG. What's worse, there was no need for this - normal gameplay removed the Lockdown state the very next BGS Cycle tick.
Powers, BGS and CGs are the environment.
I say hiding in a private group and taking part in a community goal any community goal is dishonorable.
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