Need more awareness of community goal signup requirement

[Para Handy]

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[metatheurgist]

 

[MickyG1982]

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Don't get much more clear than that...

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

I blame the advent of text messaging. Ever since then, people stopped reading. Remember when you'd get a letter, you'd read it, you'd think about it, you'd sit down to respond to it, with their letter in front of you, reading and writing at the same time. Ever since texting, reading and responding have become disposable.

As part of my job I have to send formal emails to people, they're mainly templates, I know full well they contain all the information required, but people don't read them. So they email back asking a question, I gently point them, to the second paragraph in the Menai,l they're responding to. People just don't read.

 

[Bigmaec]

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Holy wall of text Batman

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Holy wall of text Batman

They could at least put that bit in blue.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

I blame the advent of text messaging. Ever since then, people stopped reading. Remember when you'd get a letter, you'd read it, you'd think about it, you'd sit down to respond to it, with their letter in front of you, reading and writing at the same time. Ever since texting, reading and responding have become disposable.

As part of my job I have to send formal emails to people, they're mainly templates, I know full well they contain all the information required, but people don't read them. So they email back asking a question, I gently point them, to the second paragraph in the Menai,l they're responding to. People just don't read.

I agree with what you mean, though I would more so blame Youtube. Why read a few paragraphs when you could watch a 15 minute video clip instead.

As for the emails, I feel your pain - I do the same, my emails can be quite wordy (though I try to be as concise as possible but it's not always appropriate), they're mostly an Arx-covering exercise now.

 

[Fake Newts]

Actually, the INARA CG descriptions cut out the "To earn rewards..." part - the Forum post includes the entire wording from the CG. So you got that the wrong way round.

Maybe the complaint should be that INARA doesn't carry the "have to sign up first" warning?

I stand corrected, thanks for the information.

Doesn't really change the fact that lots of people in here are behaving like insufferably smug gits, but you guys go off I suppose. "Damn kids! Nobody reads texts! I 'member when this was all fields!" JFC.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

I agree with what you mean, though I would more so blame Youtube. Why read a few paragraphs when you could watch a 15 minute video clip instead.

As for the emails, I feel your pain - I do the same, my emails can be quite wordy (though I try to be as concise as possible but it's not always appropriate), they're mostly an Arx-covering exercise now.

I found just cutting out the rubbish, making it two or three sentences at most, does the trick. Yes it is abrupt, no it doesn't have the corporate niceties in it but it is at least readable, factual, concise and more importantly for me, understood by the other end.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

I found just cutting out the rubbish, making it two or three sentences at most, does the trick. Yes it is abrupt, no it doesn't have the corporate niceties in it but it is at least readable, factual, concise and more importantly for me, understood by the other end.

Yeah I do that for short/informal emails, but in my work I sometimes need to roll out communication to a large audience (about say a new process) where you can't leave details out - because if you do people could just turn around and say "why didn't you tell me this". Which brings us back to this thread

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Yeah I do that for short/informal emails, but in my work I sometimes need to roll out communication to a large audience (about say a new process) where you can't leave details out - because if you do people could just turn around and say "why didn't you tell me this". Which brings us back to this thread

Do you also get those replies, after spending so much time on the email that simply say?

Thank U

sent from iPad


God that annoys me. Any time I see sent from my iPad at the bottom of an email, I brace myself for a hardy battle.

 

[aRJay]

I mean, many people forgot or overread this before.

Doesn't speak well of the presentation.

I agree that it is there in game, but I question the need for the application at all.

If the CG would count everything added by CMDRs, without application, wouldn't that be more intuitively?
I'd say it is.

It's way down the priorities list, but it could be addressed imho.

Maybe but that assumes that everybody handing in items, bounties, bonds or whatever required by the CG wants to take part in it.

The OP states they did click on the CG bit of missions but didn’t see anything, which seems odd to me but I am used to the system now, perhaps the details section could be labelled more obviously as something that needs to be clicked on.

As for forgetting that speaks less about the presentation than it does about our memories, it was certainly a slight break in my routine about how I set off for the latest CG that caused me to forget to sign in until after selling the first cargo of rares.

 

[Northpin]

This thread goes along nicely with the "insert appropriate adjective" warning labels

"To be used only for ironing" or "Don't iorn clothes while on body" - on ironing machines
"Do not hold the wrong end of the chainsaw" - obviously on chainsaws
"Content may catch fire" - blow torch gas bottle
"The Vanishing Fabric Marker should not be used as a writing instrument for signing checks or any legal documents" -yeah, right

and many others, including my all time favorite

"Objects in the mirror are actually behind you"

 

[Northpin]

I stand corrected, thanks for the information.

Doesn't really change the fact that lots of people in here are behaving like insufferably smug gits, but you guys go off I suppose. "Damn kids! Nobody reads texts! I 'member when this was all fields!" JFC.

Come on!
Funny stuff is actually funny

 

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[Ozric]

I agree that it is there in game, but I question the need for the application at all.

If the CG would count everything added by CMDRs, without application, wouldn't that be more intuitively?
I'd say it is.

It's way down the priorities list, but it could be addressed imho.

The only limitation there is that they wouldn't be able to host competing CGs at the same station that accept the same thing, and the only example I can think of is the Dangerous Games which could be done slightly differently nowadays.

Automatic sign-up on first delivery if you haven't already seems sensible. (For that matter, automatic signup when the CGs are released wouldn't hurt, I think!)

Would that affect the player numbers for the CG and also the amount needed to define the thresholds? I believe at the moment that you have to sign up for the CG to be counted in the 100% Whereas if the top 100% contained 8 million+ Cmdrs that might skew stats a bit

I guess you could start the 100% the first time you hand something in, but you do get some who sign up but never manage to deliver anything.

 

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[Factabulous]

Would that affect the player numbers for the CG and also the amount needed to define the thresholds? I believe at the moment that you have to sign up for the CG to be counted in the 100% Whereas if the top 100% contained 8 million+ Cmdrs that might skew stats a bit

I guess you could start the 100% the first time you hand something in, but you do get some who sign up but never manage to deliver anything.

people only count in the stats once they hand something in, so auto-sign-up would be fine for that.

The main issue I can think of with auto-sign up would be that anyone relying on auto-sign-up would probably not know where to look for CG status, so would miss, for instance, that the current CG is finished. So I'd be expecting a few 'I trucked rares all week, but it ended days ago'. Plus they wouldn't know where to claim their rewards, so we'd just get those threads instead of the 'I didn't sign up' threads.

Might still be better though.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Would that affect the player numbers for the CG and also the amount needed to define the thresholds? I believe at the moment that you have to sign up for the CG to be counted in the 100% Whereas if the top 100% contained 8 million+ Cmdrs that might skew stats a bit

I guess you could start the 100% the first time you hand something in, but you do get some who sign up but never manage to deliver anything.

This is how it currently works - the "top 100%" only counts people who actually deliver at least one thing.

For a while after they introduced "remote signup" it didn't work like that, and so you could get into top 75% and occasionally top 50% with a single delivery.

 

[Northpin]

Would that affect the player numbers for the CG and also the amount needed to define the thresholds?

No, not really
One is counted as a participant at the first contribution. Not when they sign in

And i personally do not think FD should complicate their lives (an ours) with non-necessary game changes
People should really read the text