Nerd Cubed FW Elite Dangerous - cringeworthy

[Wellington]

Telling people to disregard the critics is just plain crazy......... They have an opinion and its just as valid as ours. I for one cannot disagree with the majority of his points, it irks me that critics get slammed by the folks who are so invested in a game that they are blinkered or just plain ignorant of the actual state of the game........

Ignoring and slating critics actually does more harm to the game and its future.......

 

[Hurricane Moon]

i normally watch his ets2 vids myself (im a ets2 nut).....but he clearly was just getting this one out of the way it seems,real negative vibe to him lol.
he was playing it wishing it was ets2.

ED is nothing like ets2,apart from the trading from point a to b......

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Telling people to disregard the critics is just plain crazy......... They have an opinion and its just as valid as ours. I for one cannot disagree with the majority of his points, it irks me that critics get slammed by the folks who are so invested in a game that they are blinkered or just plain ignorant of the actual state of the game........

Ignoring and slating critics actually does more harm to the game and its future.......

not at all..... Critics criticizing a game is fine and to be expected... indeed fair %age of my posts are at least in part critical and yet for the most part I would say I am a huge ED fan.

HOWEVER

it IS a critics responsibility esp one who is respected in some quarters to at least have a rough understanding of the mechanics of the product they are bashing..... and sadly it is on this point that in this day and age of youtube and twitter etc where more and more fall down.

 

[ZeeWolf]

If you don't like it thumb it down on YouTube. 2 mil subscribers or not you can still make your feelings shown.

The thumbs down is completely useless and should be removed from YT in my opinion.

Nobody has a clue why someone clicks it. Did they not like the game? Did they not like the opinion? Did they not like the editing?

Anyone who has ever put a youtube video up knows that its the most annoying thing in the world.

I bet for everyone disliking his review there is another person not watching the video shouting "I hate this game because it doesn't reinforce my nostalgic memories of space game series X,Y,Z" type clicking it too.

 

[Starbuckz]

1) really? IF I wanted i could afford an anaconda right now, however i do not have one and have not flown one since beta.
2) This has not been my experience. I have had many ships attack me
3) I stuck in my sidey for a good many hrs before getting in my eagle (ie probably over 25** - and that is excluding beta) And STILL go back to it now sometimes for a change of pace.

** unless by over a day you literally meant 24 hrs ingame time, in which case true you are probably right, most people will probably have, or be close to, wanting to try something new after 24hrs, but is that so odd? I cant think of a single other game where i would put more than that into the very 1st ship in the game before at least considering what toy to get out next. it does not mean the sidewinder is not a useful starting machine however.

PS whilst i do enjoy trading, my last 50mil or so has not been made through trading,

1. Eh okay, good for ya. I just mean the majority of players doesn't go with "do what you enjoy, find your own path" and that sort of thing. If it isn't measurable it isn't worth doing, know what I mean?
2. Hmm I can see that but I wouldn't really consider interdictions being a threat or actual combat. It's been too long but I can't remember them ever being dangerous (playing since early beta), you can always just weasel out.
3. I know, I know. You can do whatever you want of course. Just from a pure progression to the next "better" thing point of view. I am talking about 6 - 8 hours maybe.

1. Trading is not the most efficient way to make money until you already have loads of money. Right now missions, combat bonds, mining etc. can all make more money than rare goods trading. Once you have a T7 or Clipper then Trading begins to shine - but so what? Even then there are plenty of ways of making money that are, yes, slower, but still not so slow they are pointless. If you don't want to trade and are not in a rush, then you can gain your bank account glory.

2. Yes you will - getting interdicted, doing most other professions involve risk. And anyway, doesn't matter. He is holding some weird position that unless combat comes to you then it's not a combat game. Wrong.

3. Doesn't matter, still don't get why he says "you might as well sell them". If you choose to make your first credits at RES points, then they will gain you all the money you need.

1. Hmm you are right, you need some starting money. But once you get there... your point is valid though.
2. see (2) above
3. hmm see (3) above

To both of you: you don't necessarily have to trade to make some good money, I agree. But as soon as you meet some requirements it is still the fastest way. In my trading conda I currently make 1,7 million in roughly 11 minutes per loop. And I know there are even better routes out there. I think that is saying enough. Of course it is boring and just plain dumb... but yea.

 

[EddyRockSteady]

Telling people to disregard the critics is just plain crazy......... They have an opinion and its just as valid as ours. I for one cannot disagree with the majority of his points, it irks me that critics get slammed by the folks who are so invested in a game that they are blinkered or just plain ignorant of the actual state of the game........

This.

While he might have missed the boat on some gameplay issues, the majority of his gripes are spot-on.

 

[Uncertain]

The game would need to be an easy concept immediately grasped to be understandable quickly enough for a 20-minute knowledge-free appraisal to be vaguely accurate. With large games it's like criticising Chess unaware that Chess has rules.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

To both of you: you don't necessarily have to trade to make some good money, I agree. But as soon as you meet some requirements it is still the fastest way. In my trading conda I currently make 1,7 million in roughly 11 minutes per loop. And I know there are even better routes out there. I think that is saying enough. Of course it is boring and just plain dumb... but yea.

OK I will concede the point that you possibly have hit on this issue for some players. For the next shiny ship person this IS an issue for ED...... (wow, some common ground even if we sort of disagree ) once you get to the anaconda yes, the money you make in trading is nuts.... and ultimately this I suspect will always be an issue for elite and games like elite which do not have a pre scripted story.... IF all you are interested in is aiming for the next ship, sooner or later you will get there and that is that.

The trick - for me at least - is NOT doing that!. I make it my mission to explore every ship in the game, and never sell a ship. Before i move on I spec the ship to a role and keep it. This has hugely slowed down my progress and extended my enjoyment I have a shipyard of ....... 13 I think .... fully specced out ships. YES I could skip over all of that and go straight to the conda and be a money making machine, but then that is true in RL..... once you give a man an oil tanker or a massive Maersk Triple E trading ship (the RL equivalent to an anaconda) and the money to fully load it I think it is fair to say money WOULD flow pretty easily..... more so than for even the worlds best hit man, bounty hunter, thief or smuggler.

but even so..... even if your only goal was to get to the conda and that is it you are done, surely that is, at worst, 150hrs of game time... and if you ruin the game by doing this by grinding the same trade route over and over and over, is that really the fault of the game, or the gamer?

 

[Starbuckz]

but even so..... even if your only goal was to get to the conda and that is it you are done, surely that is, at worst, 150hrs of game time... and if you ruin the game by doing this by grinding the same trade route over and over and over, is that really the fault of the game, or the gamer?

All parties are at fault. Of course I could decide to do whatever else there is (though I already spent a considerable amount of time doing missions and bounty hunting), I think ED doesn't provide enough material for my main source of enjoyment, which is PVP.

Multiplayer and instancing is still screwed, the flight model is boring and barely holds any feeling of achievement (besides from mastering FAOFF), rubber banding and desync is all over the place when fighting players, there is no way of tracking or finding wanted players (most wanted lists).... so yea. That's that. I don't play because I enjoy it anymore. It's just habit I guess.

 

[Tinman]

ignoring the critics or insisting theyre wrong will be bad for elite in the long run, want the servers to stay up? want new features? then the game has to appeal to more than a special kind of person

It already does...but that doesn't mean it has to appeal to everyone.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

All parties are at fault. Of course I could decide to do whatever else there is (though I already spent a considerable amount of time doing missions and bounty hunting), I think ED doesn't provide enough material for my main source of enjoyment, which is PVP.

Multiplayer and instancing is still screwed, the flight model is boring and barely holds any feeling of achievement (besides from mastering FAOFF), rubber banding and desync is all over the place when fighting players, there is no way of tracking or finding wanted players (most wanted lists).... so yea. That's that. I don't play because I enjoy it anymore. It's just habit I guess.

I cant fairly comment on the MPer aspect as personally I did not buy it for any of that, outside of a bit of co-op play with mates - but that has its own thread so will leave at that.... I HAVE to strongly disagree with you on the flight model however. To me the flight model is one of the jewels in its crown however (along with sound, VR and *most* of the visuals).

But that is not to say you are wrong, things like that are subjective, and everything that I love about EDs flight model I pretty much dislike in say, star citizens or freelancers model. To each their own.

Rubber banding and desyncing however assuming everyones internet in the instance is up to snuff however clearly is an issue and i hope gets sorted for you.

right i am off, the weekend awaits, fly safe CMDR nice chatting

 

[drkaii]

not at all..... Critics criticizing a game is fine and to be expected... indeed fair %age of my posts are at least in part critical and yet for the most part I would say I am a huge ED fan.

HOWEVER

it IS a critics responsibility esp one who is respected in some quarters to at least have a rough understanding of the mechanics of the product they are bashing..... and sadly it is on this point that in this day and age of youtube and twitter etc where more and more fall down.

^This

I completely agree that critics need a voice and should be allowed to do what they do, but just like any profession, they have to do it properly. Reviewing a game (which is essentially what his FW series is) requires you to know the game. Turning it into a sarcastic rant and making false claims is very wrong, very irresponsible. Nerd makes his money through his channel, so he should at least take it more seriously.

I just have to say that the state of game critics at the moment is dire. I had to unsubscribe from PC Gamer because there is this huge culture right now of glorifying indie games and waging war on big budget games. It seems to be welcomed into a game-critic circle, you have to prove yourself by finding some big title and finding everything wrong with it, and literally ignoring or downplaying anything amazing about it, and then you have to review some crappy indie game glowingly. Once you do that, I'm sure you get approached by all the big game magazines.

I don't think it's right. Every game should be judged on its own merits and with correct context. Good points and bad points should be weighted properly for a final score. Bias, preconceptions, agendas serve no place in the critic world.

The Crew, for example, made me see red when I saw the reviews. I'll go through why based on my 4 points:

1. Good and bad weighting: The reviewer completely sidelined the biggest innovation of the game - in fact I would call it a Wonder of the Gaming World - the map. It was HUGE, and not only HUGE but PACKED to the brim with detail. Every square meter was hand-designed. This alone made it a completely remarkable game. In fact, it was the main purpose of the game. Instead he focussed on the bad, the stuff that was just meant to add to the map, not be the point of the game itself.
2. Bias: The reviewer obviously was biased against the game, using the story as his bias - he seems to hate games that have crappy story
3. Preconception: The reviewer had put the game into a box - a pure racing game. He compared it to games it had nothing to do with like ETS and NFS. He found fault with things that he was expecting but the game wasn't even trying to be.
4. Agenda: Clearly this reviewer, like all others, feels it his duty to "fight the man". Yes big Production companies need to be criticised and need to be held in check. But bashing every game they make, hating it simply because it was made by a big rich company, is not on.

I bet most of you haven't even heard of The Crew, and if you have, never gave it a second thought due to its bad press. Well it was one of the best games of my life, and would be to you too if you like exploring and big worlds.

 

[TheSpaceTexan]

Honestly, NerdCubed's got a point, I strangely agree with his statements.

He's also showing an actual good point of view from someone entirely new. Not to mention he's starting from 1.3 so it makes you think.

Though he's only seen a tiny fraction of what 1.3 had to offer, so it's still fairly relevant.

Sidenote: this is an MMO-RPG or whatever, and those are unbelievably difficult to review especially from the start. To put it quite frankly, this game is not Newbie friendly.

 

[Monk]

I saw this on my YouTube feed and I stopped watching after the water pistols comment. I've taken down Clippers with them 'water pistols'

...Amateur

There is so much fun (in combat) to be had without ever using more than a couple million. Trading is definitely not the only way to go, unless your poor brain is so hard wired for increasing a virtual account balance that you can't pay attention to anything else.

First day I launched after wiping my gamma save I chased down and destroyed a wanted Viper as it left the station. Immediate combat found.


I will say though, the tutorials could do more in helping you to FIND combat, not just being able to do it. There should be a tutorial that shows you how to find wanted targets or shows you what happens when you are wanted. The tutorials only show you how to pew pew, not how to get into pew pew.

 

[Cosmos]

I see ED is back on the list of top sellers on steam

But yeah, people playing the game as a fruit and veg delivery drivers.. lolz!

 

[CMDR Brock Samson]

You shouldn't have respect for youtubers in the first place.

 

[Titler]

Whilst this video can be criticized for deliberately abusing the "Innocent in big scary world has amusing disasters" concept... how is it any more morally objectionable than the White Knights on these forums trying to enforce an ignorance of genuine critical problems with this game? Neither is an accurate or honest representation of the reality; only one of them requires people spending £40 to discover it's not true though.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

His intro gives a totally false impression of the game. That is unfortunate and not good reporting. I guess he didn't either properly play this game or he is for some reason biased against it.

Is it me, or did he talk a lot about the galaxy and then totally fails to mention exploration as a possible role? Or he was so busy trying to make it seem like the only game option was to trade?

 

[bendover]

The game may not be Noob friendly,some people expect a game to flatter there abilities and if it does not they blame the game rather than there abilities.Games are just easier than they used to be,Games today are entertainment people expect to jump into a game and In 5 mins expect to be Mangod of the Universe.

 

[Red Two]

His intro gives a totally false impression of the game. That is unfortunate and not good reporting. I guess he didn't either properly play this game or he is for some reason biased against it.

Or maybe he just has a different opinion of the game than you do??

Doesnt make him "biased" or a bad person or a noob.

Lots of comments here about losing respect for this guy because he doesnt seem to like a video game that you like.... Its that type of divisive tribal mentality that makes these forums so painful to read!