New controversy surrounding my plot to create sentient A.I.

[Zarek Null]

Referred intelligence might have some software issues, or bugs, but it is still in possession of a galaxy wide network that can alter the laws of physics, given a strong enough catalyst. Perhaps, a bit paradoxically, it would seem it doesn't care of the fate of sentient life as much anymore as when it was originally separated into a true virtual existence.

But you don’t you agree that if AI is controlling everything, then griefers should not be blamed for moral wrongdoing (since its not really their fault)?

And since it may be impossible for us to truly know for sure whether AI is indeed controlling everything, then it is likewise impossible to know whether griefing is wrong. Under the well accepted principle of innocent until proven guilty, then, we should *never* condemn griefing, because whether or not griefing is wrong is simply unknowable.

 

[Oopsie Daisy]

As long as much salt is mined from the carebears and forumdads I am all in favor of this.

 

[Zarek Null]

And this affects solo players how?

Do you also fault canyon racing events for their failure to affect solo mode as well?

 

[Tarman]

Do you also fault canyon racing events for their failure to affect solo mode as well?

I did see an SRV time-trial event that someone wanted segregated by platform to make it "fair", so you can't put anything past this playerbase.

 

[Zarek Null]

AI: the mankind only salvation in future... Mark my words

According to the Guardians, I am mankind's savior:

[video=youtube;JFtYAv9Ex_Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFtYAv9Ex_Q[/video]

 

[biohazard15]

Is that a PVP event? So what the hell it does outside the PVP forum?

 

[Zarek Null]

Is that a PVP event? So what the hell it does outside the PVP forum?

This thread is not an event announcement thread. It is a discussion about the controversy surrounding the event.

 

[Zarek Null]

About time you start doing some [mad] But don't worry, as one of the good guys, I'll do my utmost to oppose your evil machinations.

Although I do have some affinity with your new project.

It's time to dispense with these antiquated notions of "good" and "evil". I am beyond good and evil.

 

[Zarek Null]

I only roleplay in an E-rated Hauler so I can achieve the maximum amount of immersion possible, am I allowed to show up

There are a variety of roles available, some of which could potentially be fulfilled in a hauler.

Refer to the section describing possible roles in the Minion's Guide:

 

[UmbraRex]

You’ll have to be more specific. Which part of the event do you have in mind?

- That basing an entire event on trust in Harry Potter and SDC is imprudent?

- That practicing god-mode RP where I both set the game rules myself and simultaneously participate as a player is utterly unfair?

- That my side has all the best PvPers in the game and that opposing me is a hopeless endeavour?

- That I am highjacking and corrupting Elite’s lore?

- That this event is nothing but a giant griefing trap, thinly veiled as legitimate roleplaying?

- That the event outcome will make no impact on the greater galaxy either way and is therefore irrelevant?

- That making it an open-mode only event unfairly discriminates against solo mode players?

- That the event’s rules are difficult to enforce and leave a wide margin for cheating and impartiality?

- That instancing limitations makes an event like this unviable?

- That the entire event is nothing but a desperate cry for attention?

Yeah, you pretty much nailed every flaw with this 'plot' of yours.

DOOOOMMEEEDDDD!!!! DDDDOOOMMMEEEDDD!!! I say!

 

[Slange Lands]

I expect much controversy to surround this event. But first I need you forumites to start arguing amongst yourselves about it in order to generate source material for said controversy. You may begin...

Uh, Overlord, don't you have Community Managers to do this sort of thing? Besides, most of your threads have us arguing with your Overloud Self instead of amongst ourselves.

Strange.... in fact your Very Presence does indeed reduce factionism amongst us because we unite in our general loathing of your somewhat annoying little galactic machinations.

o7

 

[Slange Lands]

It's time to dispense with these antiquated notions of "good" and "evil". I am beyond good and evil.

Reading Nietzsche, eh? Perhaps he would agree with your idea of human evolution. Immortality and the processing speed of a computer is highly advantageous. But J. C. , Null, Tinman is Fugly. My toaster is hotter than That.

 

[Kamiyoda]

Reading Nietzsche, eh? Perhaps he would agree with your idea of human evolution. Immortality and the processing speed of a computer is highly advantageous. But J. C. , Null, Tinman is Fugly. My toaster is hotter than That.

Or maybe he's just a video game

 

[Slange Lands]

I like where you are going with this:

If AI controls all humanity, then AI controls the actions of all Pilots Federation commanders.

All griefers are Pilots Federation commanders.

Thus, AI controls the actions of all griefers.

People should not to be morally blamed for their actions when those actions were actually controlled by another rational agent.

The griefing done by griefers was actually controlled by another rational agent (an AI).

Therefore, griefers should not be morally blamed for griefing.

And the Pilots griefing about griefers should not be morally blamed for griefing about griefers.

So nothing has changed.
And nothing ever will.

Embrace futility.

 

[Slange Lands]

Or maybe he's just a video game

Nietzsche came first, so there.:x

 

[SushiCW]

You’ll have to be more specific. Which part of the event do you have in mind?

- That basing an entire event on trust in Harry Potter and SDC is imprudent?

- That practicing god-mode RP where I both set the game rules myself and simultaneously participate as a player is utterly unfair?

- That my side has all the best PvPers in the game and that opposing me is a hopeless endeavour?

- That I am highjacking and corrupting Elite’s lore?

- That this event is nothing but a giant griefing trap, thinly veiled as legitimate roleplaying?

- That the event outcome will make no impact on the greater galaxy either way and is therefore irrelevant?

- That making it an open-mode only event unfairly discriminates against solo mode players?

- That the event’s rules are difficult to enforce and leave a wide margin for cheating and impartiality?

- That instancing limitations makes an event like this unviable?

- That the entire event is nothing but a desperate cry for attention?

Let it never be said that Zarek Null is not self-aware!

Here's my controversy: when are you going to reveal your true face?

 

[Zarek Null]

Yeah, you pretty much nailed every flaw with this 'plot' of yours.

DOOOOMMEEEDDDD!!!! DDDDOOOMMMEEEDDD!!! I say!

SDC:
The way the operation is structured, if Harry wants to destroy the protagonist, then he's going to have to destroy himself, because he is the protagonist

God-moding:
I'm not really god-moding. We're just flying from point A to point B, and inviting others to try and stop us.

Best PvPers:
We've made public exactly where the transport vessels are starting from and stopping. Our opposition only has to destroy or pirate two ships. A sufficiently large and organized opposition should be able to take out two ships travelling a 1000 lightyear route with few opportunities to repair.

Lore Highjacking:
I'm not highjacking Elite lore. I am Elite lore.

Griefing:
The event has roleplay backstory, a roughly specified ruleset, a scheduled time and place. What more would we have to do in order for people to stop calling it griefing?

No impact on the galaxy:
This is just not true. If SAI-4 is activated, I have an enthusiastic volunteer that will begin live roleplaying SAI-4 in open. Commanders across the galaxy will begin having random encounters with him, as a long term continuation of the "story".

Discriminates against solo players:
That's just ridiculous. Of course multi-player events exclude players do not like multi-player events. So what though?

Cheating:
It's an open ended roleplay event with very loose "rules". This is not a formal tournament, its more like a catalyst for organic PvP and emergent roleplay.

Instancing:
The 1000 lightyear route leads to hundreds of opportunities to instance with the transport vessels. Aside from that, participants need not instance with the transports to make a difference. They can just focus on thinning the opposition's numbers.

Cry for attention:
Yes, the promotion of the event is a cry for attention. All advertisement is a cry for attention. Frontiers trailers for new releases are cries for attention.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

You're more than a little late to the illegal Sentient AI party.

The Alliance did it a long time ago, and disguised it as "The Sim Archive".

We've had one for quite some time as well, which we use to rig the games at casinos across the galaxy, which is how we can afford a fleet of Saud Kruger ships.

The Federation and the Empire also have their own, though these are supposedly very closely guarded state secrets.

But hey, better late than never.

 

[SushiCW]

Y'all are a pretty tough crowd. How many community events have you put together?

 

[Slange Lands]

Y'all are a pretty tough crowd. How many community events have you put together?

"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy."