New Planet Tech is KILLER of Exploration (all terrain is tiling/repeating/not procedural/random)

Just

Just
Rock-Hermit said:
It was a terrible design decision if they've tried to add handcraft environments and reuse them across a 1:1 scale galaxy.
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I am talking about something even more "terrible": reusing the same pattern/feature on a SINGLE planet.
It is not inevitable, you just need to allow using a specific feature only once while generating the surface.
You only need a dataset of n bigger then number of features a single planet can be "stamped" with.
This will make planets look more realistic, less artificial.

Of course solving aesthetics like this this will not solve another problem :
encountering the same features on different planets, you are probably more focused on, and what is a downgrade of exploring experience.
 

fennster

fennster
zzehirbazz said:
They are NOT indie devs. I am a developer in an indie company that has 150 employees in total.
Frontier is founded in 1980's as the copyright text will show you on splash screen.

Elite was crowdfunded but company is about 40-50 years old.

Frontier is a AAA company with contracts to fulfill (such as Formula 1 game, Jurassic Park license etc.)
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1994 Frontier was founded. The 1984 will be for Elite, the original game.
 

SpaceIsHuge

SpaceIsHuge
Just said:
I am talking about something even more "terrible": reusing the same pattern/feature on a SINGLE planet.
It is not inevitable, you just need to allow using a specific feature only once while generating the surface.
You only need a dataset of n bigger then number of features a single planet can be "stamped" with.
This will make planets look more realistic, less artificial.

Of course solving aesthetics like this this will not solve another problem :
encountering the same features on different planets, you are probably more focused on, and what is a downgrade of exploring experience.
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Still many planets have different biomes.
 

Agrar Therenus

Agrar Therenus
Tenuem said:
Hey listen, call me whatever you want. Make it your pleasure if you have to.

But, don't be surprised if not absolutely everyone will agree with your complaint, or join the angry mob, or jump in your own complaint bandwagon.

Especially when it starts to become irrational. And that is the point I am trying to make, even if I am coming off as harsh (aren't we all lately?). I do not say that Odyssey is without issues. Oh it has many and they are being well covered, reported to the point we are just echoing each other now.

But some of you are taking it way overboard and seeing things which are simply not there. At no point in your screenshots do I see the repeating patterns and I believe you are suffering from a case of wishful "seeing". Have you ever heard of pareidolia? It is a beast. Have you ever seen dinosaurs in the clouds (lol)?

Now let me be clear, THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH REPEATING PATTERNS IN THE PLANETARY GENERATION. But it is NOT happening in all cases and all around. When it does happen, it is very evident. Which is not what you are posting here.

I have seen it, heard it all so far. From "This is worse than Cyberpunk" some bloke spat out to "Space to too dark" directly mirrored by "Space is too bright" soon right after. Now we have this, trying to find repeating patterns on planetary surfaces. Do you really not see the danger in it? Do you actually believe you will stop seeing them if the idea is still in your mind?? No amount of patches will "fix" that for you unless we all take a step back here and actually provide objective feedback.
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The repeating patterns most certainly exist on my pictures. You are wrong.

Others have in fact used that exact planet, Wyrd 2B (to be blunt I found it as an example). I mean are you ACTUALLY going to argue this planet doesn't suffer this? It is one of the main examples of it!

Indeed I'll bet you've looked at other posters using the exact same planet that you've accepted as using cloned regions-- you know the ones where they've put handy circles around them.

You are in fact mistaken here as far as that point goes. Also, I find it somewhat comical that I used the very point of 'seeing things in clouds' when someone posted cats instead of chickens. How minds on opposite ends of debates can think alike..

Are people taking it too seriously? Well, if you're an explorer then I think you have all the reason to be upset about this and what it means for variety on planets, and regions on those planets.
 
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SpaceIsHuge

SpaceIsHuge
zzehirbazz said:
They are NOT indie devs. I am a developer in an indie company that has 150 employees in total.
Frontier is founded in 1980's as the copyright text will show you on splash screen.

Elite was crowdfunded but company is about 40-50 years old.

Frontier is a AAA company with contracts to fulfill (such as Formula 1 game, Jurassic Park license etc.)
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Theyre A at best, not even AA, like Days Gone devs.
 

hunvagy

hunvagy
zzehirbazz said:
They are NOT indie devs. I am a developer in an indie company that has 150 employees in total.
Frontier is founded in 1980's as the copyright text will show you on splash screen.

Elite was crowdfunded but company is about 40-50 years old.

Frontier is a AAA company with contracts to fulfill (such as Formula 1 game, Jurassic Park license etc.)
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Don't forget this, though they call themselves Frontier Foundry on this one, I got it via Frontier's email, soo...

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Just

Just
FutronBob said:
I’ve seen dozens of side by side comparisons, and visited a number of planets in Odyssey myself.
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ppl here are like
"dozens of comparizons"
then
pasting link to the same video EVERY TIME

Come on, I am as concerned as you are, but don't do that, it's NOT working towards accepting this problem as a serious one.
 

SpaceIsHuge

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Old Duck

Old Duck
[VR] Amy Pendergast said:
The usual, some derailing, some ignoring, a bit whining and some genuine problems - as always :)
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Repeating tiles then, LOL. I see a pattern here ;)

hunvagy said:
I finally used the best option in forum PvP, the ignore button. And life makes sense again ;)
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Half of this forum is on my ignore list these days. It's my equivalent of a squelch dial*, and it has done wonders to filter out most of the noise. I'm sure I'm also on half the forum's ignore list as well. That's okay, there are so many people "playing" lately that there's plenty of good folk to "instance" with :D

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Viajero

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Sakashiro said:
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All these pictures are from Deciat 1. All these repetitions were found close to the landing site. The new tech is repeating things both on a big and a small scale. I was never able to find repetitions like these so easily in Horizons. The old tech managed to hide them in procedural noise.
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You seem to be referring to the new rock scattering system? As far as I remember there was never really an expectation for it to be 100% procedural or exhaustively diverse. Some of the rocks in EDH were also the same repeated patterns. And I am not surprised EDO also includes a number of discrete elements that can be repeated on that front etc.
 

who?

who?
Rock-Hermit said:
From the OP...

"I remember Dr Kay Ross stating on stream that their procedural heightmap system made use of handmade terrain that would then be randomized across. I was worried when I heard this."

I too vaguely remember hearing about handcrafted assets making up some of the planetary tech.
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Thanks - that's what I thought was the case.

Even that approach could be ok, provided the repetition is on a small enough scale and there are a large enough number and variety of the assets. Obviously, that ain't the case at the moment!
 
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