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He did!.
New ship: Panther Clipper
- Thread starter Rubbernuke
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You aren't speaking "realism" though. You are speaking game balance and selfish personal concerns, which is often two mutually exclusive positions.
In real life when mankind is faced with a sudden engineering challenge - like needing to haul a LOT more goods overnight - we respond. We meet the moment.
So don't preach realism to me. Colonization was a paradigm-shifting sea change in hauling demand. This ship simply doesn't rise meet that. Not nearly enough + 50% = still not enough.
The cutter has a high top speed that I can use to fast docking an undocking maneuvers when involved with carriers, colony ships and planetary ports. I can save a lot of time by performing a flip and burn to stop above a landing pad in my cutter, so real space maneuvering is a consideration. A laden trade cutter boosts quite fast, and over time that all adds up to time savings, especially in the range of 5000 trips since its double the amount using a FC, real space maneuvering for time saves is also doubled. The vast majority of time spent for FC loading is in real space, a properly positioned carrier in orbit can make a planetary drop in 30 or so seconds, and the return to orbit I have clocked 3 seconds on (not my average of course).
And again, its not a forgone conclusion that I will even be completing that single colony, I might not even be doing this as Nightreign has been a very enjoyable time sink, I've already put in 80 hours, despite having 60 hours of work a week.
They often are but in this instance they are also aligned.
Indeed, and we have in game. Look at the many different communities 100% dedicated to meeting that moment. Organizing loading, offloading, and all at a profit for the people helping along the way.
It does rise to meet that especially given my previous comment about how the community has organized to meet that paradigm shift already.
Reasonably armed? Outside of mining I'm not sure what we're supposed to do with 4 small hardpoints. You going to be lining up railguns with this wallowing space beast? lol please!
You bring up a good point. This ship could have been a viable option for those without a fleet carrier to participate in colonization. What a missed opportunity for FDEV. I mean I'm just complaining but I'm not going to lose sleep, it's FDEV that just missed out on a lot of money. You guys are doing victory laps and dunking on us now, yeah have your fun. Just remember this moment next time you complain that Elite isn't progressing fast enough...
ED is not a sim: Here is its marketing description:
Elite Dangerous is the definitive massively multiplayer space epic, bringing gaming’s original open world adventure to the modern generation with a connected galaxy, evolving narrative and the entirety of the Milky Way re-created at its full galactic proportions.
Starting with only a small starship and a few credits, players do whatever it takes to earn the skill, knowledge, wealth and power to survive in a futuristic cutthroat galaxy and to stand among the ranks of the iconic Elite. In an age of galactic superpowers and interstellar war, every player’s story influences the unique connected gaming experience and handcrafted evolving narrative. Governments fall, battles are lost and won, and humanity’s frontier is reshaped, all by players’ actions.
No mention of sim anywhere...
It is a semi-arcade sci-fi game with no claim to reality outside of the size of the game world (Mily Way sized)
I said engineering. I'm talking about ship design and manufacturing. Not people working together to work around an inadequacy.
There's nothing realistic about the Panther Clipper in a universe where Capital ships and fleet carriers already exist. It just doesn't carry enough tonnage for it's large size given that it's supposedly specialized for that task.
You're right, fair enough. It still has traditionally tried to keep to a certain set of logic. The magic cargo racks are already breaking that some (and I suspect that was added later to artificially increase its capacity based on community sentiment, just a hunch) I see no reason to break that logic even more.
Semantics, and marketing materials are usually weird, for everything
The Game simulates environment very well (Stellar Forge is the best), but it is "space sim" in the game meaning. How to show realistic future?
The same wih MMO... I know... it is called MMO, but it isn't usual MMO...
I preffer to play the game than words in this case tbh
I suppose we have to agree to disagree. it excels at its specialized task better than any other ship also specialized for that task.
Imagine these guys thinking they're playing a "simulator". A sim? Jumping INSTANTLY between stars? LOL right, okay.
I cannie keep up, 30 or more pages have written since yesterday. Amazing.
So, can the new specialized storage racks be installed on the remaining size 7 and 8 slot? Or can they be only be installed on the specialized size 7 and 8 slots?
I really wish they weren't so cryptic during the interview. Did they actually say these racks are 50% larger than standard racks, the only time i thought I heard the word 50% was when he referred to the total cargo space. Something like- It can haul almost 50% more than current haulers. I don't think they actually said which hauler. Idk it felt like 20 mins of words but very little was stated.
I'm sure it will be a decent ship, at the end someone referred to it as the legendary ship it deserves to be, idk it really sounded to me more like satisfactory. Like I use to get on my report cards when I was in grade school, meaning ya good enough. The original PC is legendary, this iteration not so much. Oh it's good, but I would slap a legendary label on it.
Will I get one, ya I will. Am I as excited for it as I was, gees not so much. I'm sure in the next month long wait my thoughts may wane. And gosh they stated for colonization that's another month wait for Arx and what another 5 months wait for credits. Colonization will be going on almost a year old by then.
Sorry for not being ecstatic, the wind has been taken from my sails a bit. Stoopid hype! lol
So, can the new specialized storage racks be installed on the remaining size 7 and 8 slot? Or can they be only be installed on the specialized size 7 and 8 slots?
I really wish they weren't so cryptic during the interview. Did they actually say these racks are 50% larger than standard racks, the only time i thought I heard the word 50% was when he referred to the total cargo space. Something like- It can haul almost 50% more than current haulers. I don't think they actually said which hauler. Idk it felt like 20 mins of words but very little was stated.
I'm sure it will be a decent ship, at the end someone referred to it as the legendary ship it deserves to be, idk it really sounded to me more like satisfactory. Like I use to get on my report cards when I was in grade school, meaning ya good enough. The original PC is legendary, this iteration not so much. Oh it's good, but I would slap a legendary label on it.
Will I get one, ya I will. Am I as excited for it as I was, gees not so much. I'm sure in the next month long wait my thoughts may wane. And gosh they stated for colonization that's another month wait for Arx and what another 5 months wait for credits. Colonization will be going on almost a year old by then.
Sorry for not being ecstatic, the wind has been taken from my sails a bit. Stoopid hype! lol
It depends where they are, and who you are fighting. If its a bendy rando NPC 4 small, 4 medium and 2 large are plenty. And against a player, shooting back is a waste of time.
You do understand that no ship should be an I WIN colonisation / Powerplay button, right? Last time I checked the flying part of ED was the game, not trying to avoid it.
And I said 6k or no deal. Why not?
I knew, just as others here did, that FD would never break out of their mould and do something different enough to be called radical, balance must be maintained.
I don't mind, as I hadn't convinced myself that my wishes would be made real, and I've saved real money as this is the first ship I won't be buying on release day.
Even windows in space ship are unrealistic...
True, if it were going for true realism we'd be flying our ships via instruments not visual line of sight.
Robert Maynard
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... or not even be in the ship at all.
Nah, human stubbornness to still be involved even if it could be automated is 100% accurate lol
Robert Maynard
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Good point, well made.
The wording of the game description hasn't changed much (my memory isn't that infallible) since I bought the game in 2017, but I have no idea of how it was initially marketed.
The original Elite didn't claim sim qualities, but was amazing for its time!
Yes, it has - although at times such logic has be, shall we say "Interesting", when the FDL was the most unbalanced ship in the game for years. (no complaints here, brilliant ship)
Breaking it a lot, I think, but there have been enough theories put forward how (and possibly why) they may have developed. But, in an arcade-like game, anything is possible.
I see plenty of reasons, but they are entirely my own - just as other player types see plenty of reasons to have the game adjusted to their preferences - we are no different in that manner, after all.