I'm just waiting to see some time trials run in the ship, specifically undocking from a station, jumping, and landing on a planet. If it's enough of a slug moving in realspace, it may add enough time to each trip that the number of trips it saves isn't all that effective. The Cutter isn't that much faster per trip than the Type 9, but when I run one of each on two accounts, the Cutter always has a significantly larger contribution to construction than the Type 9 does, while delivering 70 less per trip with the setup I use.
New ship: Panther Clipper
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I kind of want the Panther Clipper to be a slug like the T-9. I feel like if you want to pilot a massive cargo hauler, it needs to feel like that. A real oil tanker or super-freighter.
Something that might be nice though, would be if it had a nice high top-speed but this was balanced and weighty by making it take a long time to reach that top speed. Maybe it requires 2-3 successive boosts, or maybe a boost lasts a long time and accelerates more slowly than we're used to. Something a bit fresh and outside our current envelopes, but still weighty and massive
Its agility superpower vs the T9 can be SCO optimization
Something that might be nice though, would be if it had a nice high top-speed but this was balanced and weighty by making it take a long time to reach that top speed. Maybe it requires 2-3 successive boosts, or maybe a boost lasts a long time and accelerates more slowly than we're used to. Something a bit fresh and outside our current envelopes, but still weighty and massive
Its agility superpower vs the T9 can be SCO optimization
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Your analogies seem very flawed because sports has rules based on fairness. But in the "realistic" universe you and others claim you want Elite Dangerous to be set in, there's a sudden overwhelming demand for a large ship that hauls a LOT more tonnage than the existing ones. Zorgon Peterson is under no obligation to be 'fair' to their competition. They're objective is to crush their competition by meeting that demand and selling as many units as the Panther Clipper MKII as possible.
Exactly my point from earlier. Realspace movement is the biggest factor for colony hauling, not SCO or jump range. So if the PC is also 50% slower at docking maneuvers, the point is moot. If the ship is going to be slow and lumbering to feel like a massive cargo ship, the capacity needs to be much, much higher to avoid being dead on arrival.
So much wrong here...
1. No, 50% isn't enough. What can I do to possibly communicate that to you more clearly than I already am?
2. I don't HATE Colonization. Just...ugh! I love colonization. I own 8 systems, I plan to own many many more. It's BUILDING UP those systems that I hate because it's nothing but hundreds and hundreds of A>B>A trips. That's it. The amount of structures we need to build is too high, and the amount of trips each one takes is ABSURD! Like I've been SO consistent with this, do you think it does you a service to misconstrue my position like that?
3. Nothing would be thrown "under the bus". Again, you're just saying things like this without explaining it. Everyone is a billionaire anyway and trade is already immensely profitable. How would a little whip cream on top of this sundae ruin the game? It's just..LOL, it's a comical position.
Wasn't it Confucius who said:
"If you don't like doing something, just don't do it."
Or was it the Dalai Lama? Anyway, whoever it was, wise words indeed.
This is misinformation propaganda being put out by Federation operatives. Who we all know are less skilled and come from sketchy neighborhoods compared to Imperials.
It looks amazing to me. The Corvette is OK, but it just looks like a flattened Anaconda.
I love the feeling of gliding around stars in my Type 9. As unrealistic as it may be, it feels like a truck.
Has anyone else noted the interesting position of the entrance ramp?
I had expectations that it would keep to the spirit of the original ship, and it does. Making it THE colonisation ship would've completely negated any link to the original other than its name, curtailing all aspects of the ship other than hauling capacity. What you're asking for would not be the PC Mk2, it would be the T9 Mk 2 - you're asking for a ship that can only do hauling to alleviate the boredom of hauling when the obvious answer is to just stop doing the thing that bores you. And after waiting ten years for it, I'm really glad FDEV decided against diminishing it to such an extent. It's still the best hauler in the game, it's just that is not all that it is.
Trailblazers upset the balance! I see you still haven't Googled "paradigm shift" because you're not getting it. FDEV destroyed the balance, and they say this thing is "feature complete" so it's not getting re-balanced. So our only answer was in a new huge hauler. Which they deliberately planned as a solution to something they broke, to generate profits.
Which even knowing that, I would gladly have supported because I truly love the game. Yet this thing missed the mark SO badly, it's not worth spending real money on. It doesn't fix the problem they created.
Again you just either cannot or refuse to see the whole picture.
I like pizza. That doesn't mean if I were forced to eat pizza every single meal, every day, for the rest of my life that I "hate" pizza. Is there an AI chatbot or something where you guys are getting these terrible talking-points?
why irrelevant? It was you who brought it up. I merely answered.
You're saying I shouldn't give feedback on the PC MKII because I instead should be arguing something else. That's why it's irrelevant. I'm not sure how else to explain it.
We're designing all the ships with the interiors in mind. How the cargo is unloaded all of that sort of thing, how damage occurs.[,,,]. The game has to be structured in a way to allow it from the start. [...}
— David Braben, December 2012[7]
When Lord Brebus himself states that, it should be believable also for you, shouldn't it?
Edit: removed some parts of Braben's statement which do not belong to this discussion.
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Allow Optimised Racks in 2x7's and 2x8's slots then we get closer to 1,500 (double a Cutter) which is what a LOT of people were expecting, it's an easy change and fits in Lore ... you bring in Colonization which changes it to a hauling game and then deliver a new ship that doesn't help much.
Oh please, he's just rambling. Star Citizen will be a real game before we get a single one of those things at this rate.
If that's a lame attempt at "git good", you failed. I am not a Federation operative, I am a player who says the Cutter sucks. It's a bad, not fun ship in my book, and only revered by minmaxers. Elevating it to an OP "best ship of the game" to fit the narrative is.... well. You know what it is.
Well, when a statement from the CEO and developer of the original game isn't sufficient for you, I get the impression that you dismiss any grounded statement if it doesn't meet your desires. Maybe you can ask FDev nicely to change the PC's specs.
Did he state, categorically, that every design decision had to be only incremental and that nothing could be developed that changed capability from that of the game on release?
Yes, designed with interiors in mind appears to have been somewhat abandoned over the years, along with Big Game Hunting on ELWs, but I may be mistaken and they'll appear soon...
As your source is an external wiki, not actually from the game, it isn't really answering my question, although it is pointing toward a 12 years old video, which is brought up with monotonous regularity to excuse any criticism...
Nothing in-game dictates that it must remain stagnant as a mission statement, does it?
In the same breath as using being forced to eat pizza for the rest of your life as an analogue, you call my talking points bad? Ok, I'll roll with it, firstly I didn't say you hate pizza, but I would suggest that in the incredibly unlikely scenario that you are somehow forced to eat it for the rest of your life, a device to help you eat it faster is probably not all that helpful. The good news is that you are neither forced to eat pizza or do colonisation for the rest of your life, you could just take a break from it.
Agreed 100%!