No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]

[Zuikaku]

Some of you just do not get it! Nobody wants to hurt anyone here. Problem is that some people feel hurt about missing offline mode. And the others are considering them as threat because of FDs clumsy statement that continuing work on offline mode woul'd make online game suffer!

So stop accussing among self! Nobody tries to ruin the game! Game is going to be released.

 

[Adept]

Some of you just do not get it! Nobody wants to hurt anyone here. Problem is that some people feel hurt about missing offline mode. And the others are considering them as threat because of FDs clumsy statement that continuing work on offline mode woul'd make online game suffer!

So stop accussing among self! Nobody tries to ruin the game! Game is going to be released.

It will be released, but for those happy with the MMO structure, it also need to thrive. The pressure tactics to demand Frontier change their mind, and the ones who are just in a destructive mood and want to burn the company (and there are those) remind me of strike-actions at a work place. Sometimes they are successful, sometimes they are justified and necessary... but they always have a cost. Businesses shut down, the ability of the business to pay the bills in the future is in jepardy if it goes too far.

Problem here is that the more strident off-liners would be happy with the result of Frontier caving in, and diverting resources into making the off-line version, or releasing the server code. That would hurt the long term plans of the company. It would make planetary landings, avatar play and all that less likely to succeed, but if all one cares about is having an off-line Elite 4, then those conciderations do not matter.

 

[Ian]

Can you be kind to answer one thread I wrote yesterday?

It's about possibility for offline Elite kickstarter where we woul'd be allowed to redirect our money paid instead of asking refund (since we do love Elite).

Also, do you have any figure what funds woul'd be needed to do that. I'm sure some compromise to make everybody happy is possible.

Thanks in advance.

If that was the case, I'd be happy for FD to keep my requested refund for an offline version.

 

[Zuikaku]

It will be released, but for those happy with the MMO structure, it also need to thrive. The pressure tactics to demand Frontier change their mind, and the ones who are just in a destructive mood and want to burn the company (and there are those) remind me of strike-actions at a work place. Sometimes they are successful, sometimes they are justified and necessary... but they always have a cost. Businesses shut down, the ability of the business to pay the bills in the future is in jepardy if it goes too far.

Problem here is that the more strident off-liners would be happy with the result of Frontier caving in, and diverting resources into making the off-line version, or releasing the server code. That would hurt the long term plans of the company. It would make planetary landings, avatar play and all that less likely to succeed, but if all one cares about is having an off-line Elite 4, then those conciderations do not matter.

You still do not get what the problem is, don't you?! FDs clearly stated offline mode will be available. It is obvious now that many people were planning to play exclusively that offline mode. They may or may not be minority. Can you really look these people in the eyes and honestly say them they do not have the right to be sad, mad or overly negatively excited about all this situation? Newsflash, they do have right to fight for their rights! And also, do you have right to force them to play the game your way? Do you have the right to tell them to shut up and go away?!

Why are you so upset now about possibility for FDs to develop offline mode in the future? What exactly is your problem with that? FDs would not do that for free anyway. They would do that financed by the money of the people who want offline mode. Remember, we were all in this train together untill a week ago. Please note that all these years we did not ranted that so much attention being given to online mode would ruin the game. We were happy for you having online mode. Seems that it was a mistake. We shoul'd ranted and pushed our agenda agresivelly. But we had faith and the trust in the words of our heroes and legends - DB and FDs.

If you think that you fight for the benefit of the FDs ,you are wrong. Cause you are watching the whole thing only through your interest and fear that offline version woul'd hurt online version. You do not think about customers like me, hated offliner scum, who intended to buy the game but never will this way. You do not think about people that never heard of Elite and who do not like multiplayers and would maybe buy Elite one day after seing how special it is. You do not think about profit that offline version would also bring to FDs. What if over the next few years offline version would bring new minority of 200k of players to FDs. And add to the 2000k of majority of online players. Do you really think that these 200K offliners woul'd not bring pany profit to FDs?

Considering all of this ,can you be so sure that you are helping the FDs in the right way?

 

[wolverine2710]

Okay as people don't want to listen I'm deleting sniping posts. If the same posters continue then they will be infracted.

Michael

For starters: I despise censoring and deleting posts. What I equally hate is having NO respect for each other. According to a poll most commanders are in the range of 35-50+. We have some mileage. Its all about RESPECT for each other. We can disagree with a post or dislike a commander. I happen to have both sometimes - only human. BUT that does NOT make it right to do stuff like name calling, fighting personal battles etc. I think we all want this thread to stay open. Lets try our utmost to make that happen. I always try to be as polite as possible. Sometimes I fail but from that one learns....

 

[EbolaConundrum]

My interest in Elite Dangerous now is sadly largely an academic; How well the can walk the line between making enough from Micro-transactions to keep the servers running and them making a profit and turning the game into mobile style play to pay hell with those micro-transactions.

Only time will tell.

I’m tremendously angry, frustrated, and disappointed that they’ve taken my money and failed to deliver but the really isn’t much I can do.

Good luck hope the servers stay up at launch and that the game continues to be playable as a non-pay to play or subscriber game for many years.

Bye folks, enough it really is time to go back to the Star dock forums a developer who has always done right by their supporters and customers, even when it’s cost them to do so’ GC3 here I come.

 

[Ventura]

You are talking about an approved driver delivering a clearly defined service. Failure to deliver that service is obviously grounds for complaint and refund.

ED was not a defined service (at least in KS and even in Beta). There were many aspects that were listed as aims for inclusion. Many made it in but many did not. The paying in advance was the investment to get something out the end of it.

This is all pretty easy to say when the Frontier taxi at least dropped you off in the suburb you wanted to be in before going on his merry way. For those who specifically questioned the inclusion of offline mode, and were told that it would indeed have it, that vehicle may as well have been travelling in the opposite direction before we were unceremoniously forced out for the difference that it makes.

In any case, feel free to name the 'many' other aspects that you claim also did not make it. Considering two of the main tiers of the Kickstarter rewards begin by mentioning a "DRM-free edition", I have a feeling you're going to have great difficulty coming up with anything anywhere nearly as significant as the exclusion of offline mode.

 

[Warbler]

I’m tremendously angry, frustrated, and disappointed that they’ve taken my money and failed to deliver but the really isn’t much I can do.

You can report them to the authorities, starting with Kickstarter.

 

[zelda_n64]

The only reason I signed up to beta was for the offline mode.

My real life gets too in the way for staying up to date with constantly evolving online games, as it is 'Elite: Dangerous' has not been touched in the last two weeks & the next two weeks will be the same (no time to play). So I would have been away from the game for 4 weeks or more. A lot can happen in 4 weeks of a constantly evolving galaxy & as I like exploring on this particular occasion I would be behind by the above amount of time.
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If I manage to get 2 hours play in 2 weeks time & then in another 3 weeks get an hours play I will be constantly falling behind those can play it more regularly, there will be nothing left for me to find and be excited about. I do not & have no wish to play missions.
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I shouldn't get attacked for wanting to play Elite: Dangerous offline and only offline. Each of our lives consist of real life events & for me choosing any game this is a major problem.
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It hurts & annoys me that I cannot play this game regularly, as I, like a lot of people have waited 30 years for this. If there had never been a mention of offline mode in the press then I would not have purchased it at all because I cannot commit the time required to stay current, which is one of the reasons I stay away from online games I gave up on EvE purely because I was paying a monthly fee and not actually playing the game, I had played about three 1 hour sessions in a year when I decided to give up renewing)
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All those who love online - stay safe & have fun in space, some of us just cannot get there & to every Cmmdr 'respect' to all of you!!

 

[EbolaConundrum]

The only reason I signed up to beta was for the offline mode.

My real life gets too in the way for staying up to date with constantly evolving online games, as it is 'Elite: Dangerous' has not been touched in the last two weeks & the next two weeks will be the same (no time to play). So I would have been away from the game for 4 weeks or more. A lot can happen in 4 weeks of a constantly evolving galaxy & as I like exploring on this particular occasion I would be behind by the above amount of time.
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If I manage to get 2 hours play in 2 weeks time & then in another 3 weeks get an hours play I will be constantly falling behind those can play it more regularly, there will be nothing left for me to find and be excited about. I do not & have no wish to play missions.
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I shouldn't get attacked for wanting to play Elite: Dangerous offline and only offline. Each of our lives consist of real life events & for me choosing any game this is a major problem.
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It hurts & annoys me that I cannot play this game regularly, as I, like a lot of people have waited 30 years for this. If there had never been a mention of offline mode in the press then I would not have purchased it at all because I cannot commit the time required to stay current, which is one of the reasons I stay away from online games I gave up on EvE purely because I was paying a monthly fee and not actually playing the game, I had played about three 1 hour sessions in a year when I decided to give up renewing)
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All those who love online - stay safe & have fun in space, some of us just cannot get there & to every Cmmdr 'respect' to all of you!!

I feel for you I'm in a very similar location, it seems Elite is really only for those who can devote a large and regular amount of time to it now.

 

[gravityztr]

yeah its kinda unfortunate that there are angry mobs on this forum for a long time now, and its sad because these kinds of things can affect Frontier Developments, and maybe affect even the future of the game... :-s

 

[Satanski]

Although no offline mode is not concern to me (i even prefer it this way for few resons), i am _deeply_ dissappointed by the way FD choose to treat their customers in regard to refunds. People gave them money up front, trusting that they will keep on their promises, helped testing bugged parts of their game for months for free and now they wont give back money to people who were misled to the last moment. This was the last time i supported FD upfront. They cant be trusted.

 

[EbolaConundrum]

yeah its kinda unfortunate that there are angry mobs on this forum for a long time now, and its sad because these kinds of things can affect Frontier Developments, and maybe affect even the future of the game... :-s

I'm not actually too sad about that I think that games developers needs to show more integrity in delivering what they have sold, when you don't keep your word it naturally damages your reputation and causes people not to trust you or want to deal with you in the future. If this betrayal of their customers costs them nothing they won't think twice about behaving the same way again and it will send a message to other developers this sort of last minute pulling of promised features made to get our money is fine.

What I'm saying is why I'm not hoping they go bust or anything I do hope their are some financial and reputational consequences for them above and beyond the few refunds they deam to grant.

 

[heillon]

yeah its kinda unfortunate that there are angry mobs on this forum for a long time now, and its sad because these kinds of things can affect Frontier Developments, and maybe affect even the future of the game... :-s

It was handled clumsily by FD and who knows if it will impact the future of the game. Actions have consequences, that's life.

 

[tagos]

It was handled clumsily by FD and who knows if it will impact the future of the game. Actions bring consequences, that's life.

Quite. Like I said elsewhere. If you fire bullets up in the air don't get all bot-hurt when they fall back down on your head because that's what's going to happen. If you don't want it to happen you need to start thinking things through a little better.

If I'd been them I'd have had a better plan than screaming 'no refunds' at people.

 

[Skizomeuh]

Actions have consequences, that's life.

So, the most insulting vociferous people may have made the situation worse than it should have been for those who deserve a refund.

 

[Zuikaku]

yeah its kinda unfortunate that there are angry mobs on this forum for a long time now, and its sad because these kinds of things can affect Frontier Developments, and maybe affect even the future of the game... :-s

If you do not want angry mob banging at your door, than you don't create a Frankenstein

Do not worry, most of us want to play elite just as much as you do. We do not want to harm FDs... I'm sure most of us do not want that. If that was the case we woul'd not support them 2 years ago (or whenever we supported them).

We try fight for our rights in a way not to endanger yours. In a last few days I dont remember any post that stated online game shoul'd be destroyed or abandoned and that offline gameplay is the only right way.

And what if in the future planetary landing is to be scrapped because of better experience when boarding ships? I suppose that then, people who really wanted and paid for planetary landings will be the bad guys who want to hurt company for thir low, selfish reasons. While these who wanted boardings would be defenders of the FD and non-selfish guys who understand what business is - with all of it's risks

 

[tagos]

So, the most insulting vociferous people may have made the situation worse than it should have been for those who deserve a refund.

No. It is Frontier who 'made things worse' by the way they did things. The reaction was wholly predictable to anyone with a cursory understanding of human beings but their only plan to deal with it was 'add insult to injury'.

All the consequences are down to Frontier on this one.

 

[heillon]

So, the most insulting vociferous people may have made the situation worse than it should have been for those who deserve a refund.

Who knows? Would FD even reconsider reviewing the initial blanket refund refusals without those people who screamed loudly? I am all for keeping things civil but that reaction was easy to predict, those are basic human emotions...

 

[Riandor]

The only reason I signed up to beta was for the offline mode.

My real life gets too in the way for staying up to date with constantly evolving online games, as it is 'Elite: Dangerous' has not been touched in the last two weeks & the next two weeks will be the same (no time to play). So I would have been away from the game for 4 weeks or more. A lot can happen in 4 weeks of a constantly evolving galaxy & as I like exploring on this particular occasion I would be behind by the above amount of time.
-
If I manage to get 2 hours play in 2 weeks time & then in another 3 weeks get an hours play I will be constantly falling behind those can play it more regularly, there will be nothing left for me to find and be excited about. I do not & have no wish to play missions.
-
I shouldn't get attacked for wanting to play Elite: Dangerous offline and only offline. Each of our lives consist of real life events & for me choosing any game this is a major problem.
-
It hurts & annoys me that I cannot play this game regularly, as I, like a lot of people have waited 30 years for this. If there had never been a mention of offline mode in the press then I would not have purchased it at all because I cannot commit the time required to stay current, which is one of the reasons I stay away from online games I gave up on EvE purely because I was paying a monthly fee and not actually playing the game, I had played about three 1 hour sessions in a year when I decided to give up renewing)
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All those who love online - stay safe & have fun in space, some of us just cannot get there & to every Cmmdr 'respect' to all of you!!

I guess the question is, are you sure you are missing anything by being offline for 4 weeks?
What curve are you falling behind if you only play Solo Online?

Prices change, sure... other missions crop up, certainly... but I am not sure that there is a curve to fall behind so to speak. Exploration? Maybe, but there is soooo much unexplored space i am not sure even that holds true.

I feel for those who genuinely have issues, but I think those worried about curves and other players affecting their play in an Online Solo mode might want to adopt a wait and see approach?!