No Single Player offline Mode then?

[Jimmycrash]

We have no plans to shut the servers down anytime soon. This is a core project for the company and we intend developing for it as long as we can.

Michael

Totally appreciate you taking the time to answer some of the concerns here Michael, but I don't think this is a good enough response to many people.

I understand it may be impossible to make a promise on this one, but can there not be a statement of some kind of assurance released?.. From my reading there doesn't seem any intent from 'Frontier' to enable people to enjoy the game if/when the online servers cannot be maintained.

(Please) tell me if I am wrong?

 

[SuBSynk]

It is clear to all and sundry

There you go again speaking for me and others as though its fact, ill ignore your posts from now on i think.

 

[Only]

It addresses a lot of the issues that people keep claiming with no basis in this thread. When people stop asking things/asserting stuff without evidence/claiming there's been no word from the devs even though it's all been covered in that thread, I'll stop linking it.

Then please keep posting I'm sure its helping some people.

But to me at this stage relying on another customer to point people to another thread is hardly a shining example of good customer care/service.

 

[SalsaDMA]

yould you please stop the witch-hunt if you feel that you need a refund speak to the support if you feel that need to start a law suit please contact your lawyer but please stop the witch-hunt

It's not a witch hunt to hold people up to the words they themselves said.

 

[synchromesh]

I wonder if it could get to a point where it would be cheaper to invest a small team in a single player standalone version ( like frontier )
than give refunds ?

 

[starbuck1771]

He is the Executive Producer of Elite: Dangerous.

Everything goes through him. All design decisions are ultimately his (and David's) responsibility.

Michael is not some uninformed lackey being put onto the forums to appease the masses - he has intimate knowledge of everything about the game, both client & server side... because that's his job.

Well clearly he doesn't know everything and is a stooge. Anyways enjoy being stolen from by these frauds. I will stick with Star Citizen because at least Chris Roberts knows how to make a game. EVE Online will also profit from Frontier screwing the people who helped fund their game.

 

[Binerexis]

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=58789&p=1010905&viewfull=1#post1010905

Not entirely baseless.

Like I said in another post here, the advertising could be for cosmetics for your ship. All that shows is that the EULA allows for advertising, nothing else.

 

[Juniper]

And presumably you have been playing beta all this time with your connection ? if not then apparentely even a dial up connection to the server is enough to play, the only time you would not be able to play is with no connection whatsoever.

Beta, and indeed, alpha. It's never worked properly.

My solace was offline - and why I defended Frontier to the hilt when the forums exploded at each stage and they discovered that the network stack was simply broken. Because, y'know, there's always offline mode...

Anyway, this conversation has again become circular so I'm out. It's nobody's business to anyone else why offline is important to a player. Accept it as the case, and leave it at that.

 

[Angus]

Is it possible to implement it into the final game? No.

I notice you keep repeating that, but Michael Brookes said on at least one occasion that it wasn't impossible. In the absence of a full and appropriate statement from FD it seems to me that an artistic decision has been made, its just a shame that this decision means that they have broken the word they gave during and after the Kickstarter process. It makes me sad to say that, but I believe its simply a statement of the facts.

Perhaps there were circumstances that made it necessary, but when integrity is brought into question, I think a proper statement should be made on the issue - the glossed over mention in the newsletter and the forum comments, in my view, fall short of the mark.

 

[Ttaskmaster]

Don't see what the big fuss is, myself...

The Kickstarter page talks about the 'intended' forms of play. Nowhere does anyone *promise* anything.
Also nowhere does it say that pledgers are making an investment or funding anything in a way that gives them an actual say/demand in how the dev goes.

Near as I can see, Offline will still happen.
You will need to occasionally be online long enough to download galaxy/system/mission updates, which would be no different to getting game patches anyway and since the vast majority of people posting complaints here are clearly able to get online, there shouldn't be a problem.
The only difference between Online Solo and Offline is that the latter can be played without requiring a permanent server connection.

In a game that has always been intended as primarily online, I fail to see the appeal in the static offline version that was one of Freelancer's biggest shortcomings. Why would you not want all the extra features in the connected version, especially when Online Solo is pretty much the same thing?
Unless you're taking your PC with when you go caravanning in deepest, darkest Cornwall... but even then, you'd get better wifi than my 0.5Mbps at home and I still manage online just fine.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

It's not a witch hunt to hold people up to the words they themselves said.

Yes they admit they said that, and now they are saying they are taking that back. It's done deal.

You never have said anything that turned out to be wrong?

 

[Darkmater]

Is frontier going to at least present a better business proposition for being connected, because I have played the beta. I haven't observed anything worth being online for beyond playing with my friends in really basic and meaningless way, read as "the most basic co-op play ever or watch them fight at looks at their paint job mode." If this game is online, bring on true co-op play, where I can share bounties, missions, and group super cruise travel with friends.

I know this is in the DDF, but that's obviously meaningless in current form, its not a list of features its a list of possibilities. What I want is something that makes being online meaningful and that's being able to truly play with friends.

Thanks,

 

[Alicatt]

Agreed 100 percent. Stop the crying and accept it, this amazing game is still here, play it and enjoy it. It's as if people found the one thing to complain about and it's exploded way out of proportion.

You are welcome to come round to my house when I get home next week and play there, oh, wait, there is no internet there, well you can play in offline mode then ...

 

[SuBSynk]

Well clearly he doesn't know everything and is a stooge. Anyways enjoy being stolen from by these frauds. I will stick with Star Citizen because at least Chris Roberts knows how to make a game. EVE Online will also profit from Frontier screwing the people who helped fund their game.

Sorry to say this and i honestly am not trying to be harsh but you sound childish here and its such a pointless post, why even bother?

 

[Binerexis]

Then please keep posting I'm sure its helping some people.

But to me at this stage relying on another customer to point people to another thread is hardly a shining example of good customer care/service.

It's hardly the fault of anyone at Frontier that a number of customers are choosing to rant in this thread without even looking for the one I keep linking. It's not even difficult to find. If anything, Frontier should be commended for assuming their community is smart enough to look for such threads.

 

[Adept]

Explain how to get a refund of ~£1000 worth of Kickstarter pledges and I'd be all ears. Seriously.

You don't. You took the same risk everybody takes with KS.

 

[Juniper]

We have no plans to shut the servers down anytime soon. This is a core project for the company and we intend developing for it as long as we can.

Michael

That's good news, but again, hardly re-assuring.

Do you think Frontier would be open to an escrow software agreement between Frontier and its backers? If so, who would one contact within the company to set that up?

 

[SuBSynk]

You are welcome to come round to my house when I get home next week and play there, oh, wait, there is no internet there, well you can play in offline mode then ...

Maybe they will bring a dongle or phone with decent connection, just a thought

 

[Juniper]

You don't. You took the same risk everybody takes with KS.

Exactly, which makes the statement I was replying to nonsensical.

 

[Arindor]

Totally appreciate you taking the time to answer some of the concerns here Michael, but I don't think this is a good enough response to many people.

I understand it may be impossible to make a promise on this one, but can there not be a statement of some kind of assurance released?.. From my reading there doesn't seem any intent from 'Frontier' to enable people to enjoy the game if/when the online servers cannot be maintained.

(Please) tell me if I am wrong?

Well said and +1. I'm taking everything FD says with a pinch of salt. I'm also waiting the announcement regarding subscription based ED.