No Single Player offline Mode then?

[Wolframium]

So many people still don't get it, do they?

You don't have to play with anyone, you can play solo.

Yesterday somebody created a thread and got laughed down because they wanted to make sure people understood that Solo play is still an option.

Case in point... people still don't get it. You don't have to dodge any [redacted].

Indeed, so many people still don't get it, in spite of it having been said and repeated so many times: we know single player mode is still available, but that isn't the point. The point is that some of us wish for our game to be affected in absolutely no way by what other players do. We don't want other people exploring our galaxy, influencing our markets, taking our missions and fighting our battles. We do not want a dynamic universe synced with every other player's. We want a completely solo experience, like Elite, like Frontier, like FFE, like any other single player game.

We are people who happen to have a completely different gaming philosophy. Why is that so difficult to understand?

 

[-o-]

This is so inaccurate: "Well, we still have a few hundred mugs..." - while in fact there are thousands of us.

Touche

 

[WeirdWizard]

Solo. Online.

Delivers all you dream of up there.

Clearly it doesn't or he wouldn't of posted.

 

[CmdrPSB]

I have waited for this from the first time I launcged from Lave all thos years ago. I feel cheated that they have pulled the off line scenario. I dont want to have to keep dodging intent on shooting me up as I trade my way through the galaxy as I did in the original Elite.

Seriuously upset I parted with my money as I never believed such a basic off-line requirement be ditched.

Lesson learned Mr Braben, lesson learned, I no longer trust you or anyone else on kickstarter.

Seems 100% legit.

 

[Perramas]

It's been said before, but I guess it bears repeating, some things will clearly be competed for. Exploration is a good example of this. The game is designed around ranging out from central locations. Occasional players are going to find all the obvious choices for starting explorers will all be well trodden ground, and pay poorly.

That's not to mention that players who want to save and quit with a cargo load of goods will instead log off the server not knowing what the price may be for their goods when they log back on.

Online is going to make the game harder than it would otherwise be for those who have limited time. Just like an MMO.

Exactly and this is where the cash shop ties into the decision for no offline mode.

 

[Hanni79]

So many people still don't get it, do they?

You don't have to play with anyone, you can play solo.

I think you are missing the point. Most people defending the Offline Mode not only want to meet no other people, they also do not want their personal experience influenced by other people, which still happens with Solo-online. The most prominent example is surely exploration, since this will always be a race with other people regardless if you played Solo or in Open ( Systems Explored in Open will also mark Systems in Solo as explored, which will give you much less money etc.)
Also, a pure Offline Mode would have had the ability to Pause the game, which has different aspects to it as well.

 

[littleminxundr]

So many people still don't get it, do they?

You don't have to play with anyone, you can play solo.

Yesterday somebody created a thread and got laughed down because they wanted to make sure people understood that Solo play is still an option.

Case in point... people still don't get it. You don't have to dodge any [redacted].

However, the impact that the [redacted] will have in Open will be included in Solo, think the oversailing of traderoutes (Guys, you can make 250% percent profit from trading X between Y and Z!! Cue a lot of trading like fools, influencing Solo.), over exploiting asteroid fields, overhunting bounties.
The universe in Solo is just as affected as Open will be.

A lot of people may not want offline as a necessity, but as a guarantee that their universe is theirs. Open sounds like a solution to many, but for some it's just a crutch they weren't asking for.

 

[Riktar]

Ok. The "has not delivered" confused me a lot. I personally think you are making a mistake, but if offline is the only acceptable thing, then you've been told how to seek the refund. Hopefully you got the copy from their online store, not at the kickstarter.

I think kickstart backers do/do not get a refund is a minor point. Not to minimize the investment those backers pledged, but Kick starter was what? 1.5 mil? If I read correctly, FD has raised over 4x that with beta sales.
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Refunding kickstarter pledges would hurt, really hurt.
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But refunding (if the unofficial polls are correct) 60% of the Beta sales would be devastating.

 

[Vlodec]

DB: Things are too quiet. We really need something to get the media excited about just before our launch next weekend.

MB: Well, we still have a few hundred mugs we can send out to them.

DB: No .. No .. We need to try something explosive .. something dangerous.

MB: Theres no way I am getting in that g-string again!

DB: In Fridays newsletter, I want you to slip in something quietly that will ruffle a few feathers.

MB: Ahhhhhh .. the Thargoids awaken .. I like it.

DB: No, Sweenys still struggling with their HOTAS grip.
DB: We need to break them down, before we can build them up.

MB: Huh?

DB: You sir, may be a imaginative writer, but your blind to your dark side. We tell them that something has been pulled ... umm, like that offline version.
DB: Then we sit back and wait.

MB: But we finished implementing that offline module even before the Beta started. Thats why we never tested it.

DB: Yes, but they don't know that. Then we sit back and enjoy the show.

MB: But that will be a disaster which will cause irreparable damage.

DB: Normally it would, but I have recently aquired a rather unique shinny artifact which can work PR miracles.
DB: Once a fews days have passed, the BBC will get aboard, and whip them into a frenzy, ready for us to strike!
DB: I can even get Drew to prepare a story on the disaster.
DB: <evil laugh> Our own private War of the Worlds!
DB: With the world's media attention focussed on us, at the official launch we announce a sincere apology and ask our loyal backers for forgiveness.
DB: We then inform them that we, through our own personal funds, will work night and day to ressurect the offline version before Christmas.
DB: We will be lauded beyond belief, and will be seen as Legends. You might also be knighted yourself, or at the very least be delivered a truckload of pizza.

MB: Thats so crazy, it might work.

DB: It is destined to work my dear fellow. Now get to work ... we have history to make.

Made me laugh. +1.

 

[Juniper]

I wish I could shake your hand, I really do. Thank you for a well written post that pretty much sums up what many of us old timers feel. If I were a moderator, I'd make a sticky out of it. I really wish all the people who insist on defending this awful decision would at least try to make the effort to understand the things you just wrote: that for us, the magic of Elite was that it was a personal experience, a private science fiction epic that owed a lot of its magic to the fact that it was, as you so touchingly explained, "the only true space in my life that was truly mine (all mine!) and the only place that at this point (or that point) in my life I could affect or influence in any meaningful way, it was my escape, it was selfish but it was mine and I was the only one watching and the only damn one in it".

The problem is that the younger ones have not reached that stage in their lives yet, and still think that online games are better because other people are in them, rather than infinitely worse.

But you're right. It should be stickied for posterity, so that when FD turn their servers off in 2, 5, 10 years time and none of us can play any more- they'll see it. And perhaps then... understand.

Sadly that's unlikely, as now with E: D they'll not experience what we experienced back then. They'll just go on to the next shiny. Perhaps by then, other players can be in our brains while we play. Won't that be fun!!

 

[Adept]

Clearly it doesn't or he wouldn't of posted.

Quite possibly he didn't know of the option. It sure read like that.

 

[mbabbs]

Well this is great. I had no intention of playing Elite online so this means I've wasted £50.

Hopefully you'll get a refund.

Out of interest is it because you have no internet connection or because you'd like the ability to pause or perhaps stop playing and return to the same background game state?

 

[Adept]

I think kickstart backers do/do not get a refund is a minor point. Not to minimize the investment those backers pledged, but Kick starter was what? 1.5 mil? If I read correctly, FD has raised over 4x that with beta sales.
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Refunding kickstarter pledges would hurt, really hurt.
.
But refunding (if the unofficial polls are correct) 60% of the Beta sales would be devastating.

You think 60% are offline only customers? ROFL!

 

[Herne]

Clearly it doesn't or he wouldn't of posted.

If you'd read the post, you would have found that Adept was correct

 

[vjek]

Looks like Massively and Slashdot picked up the story..

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/11/17/elite-dangerous-wont-feature-offline-play-after-all/

http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/11/18/0353240/elite-dangerous-dumps-offline-single-player

along with being fed into at least 5 other news mirrors from those two.

http://www.justgamingnews.net/elite-dangerous-wont-feature-offline-play-after-all/
http://www.lotd.org/threads/elite-dangerous-wont-feature-offline-play-after-all.49690/
and
Runicportal, TheGamersPost, Virginworlds, and more.

 

[Juniper]

So many people still don't get it, do they?

You don't have to play with anyone, you can play solo.

Yesterday somebody created a thread and got laughed down because they wanted to make sure people understood that Solo play is still an option.

Case in point... people still don't get it. You don't have to dodge any fools.

You're still playing with other players in Solo.

You just don't see them. That's all.

 

[Skizomeuh]

Once Star Citizen launches this game will be more of a Ghost Town than it already is

You're having a blast witnessing the situation, haven't you M. PR?

 

[Ilseroth]

We are people who happen to have a completely different gaming philosophy. Why is that so difficult to understand?

While I am not the individual to whom you were speaking I'd like to say I do understand what you are saying. You want the universe to be as you affect it as would a single player experience evoke. You don't want to arrive at system looking to do some saving and have them say "Oh sorry, but CMDR Missile came through and saved us yesterday, thanks though."

But that being said, the online iteration with the dynamic universe was clearly the focus of development, and you can't deny that the ability for them to focus on it will make for a better product then a half-cocked version of both at the same time.

I am sure you would have preferred they went with the offline version instead, but that didn't meet up with their vision of the game. That is, in the end, the point of a kickstarter. It isn't a commission or preorder. It is a donation to a person or group of people that you believe in not to create the product you want, but the product they want to produce.

So many people think it is a pre-order, or a commission. It isn't. It's essentially a donation to people who are passionate about their vision, and you should expect them to follow that vision even if it takes them in a direction you don't approve of. Respect them for it; even if you disagree with it.

 

[Adept]

You're still playing with other players in Solo.

You just don't see them. That's all.

That's almost zen. Their annoyance transcends actually having to deal with them. Is it the smell?

 

[Herne]

However, the impact that the [redacted] will have in Open will be included in Solo, think the oversailing of traderoutes (Guys, you can make 250% percent profit from trading X between Y and Z!! Cue a lot of trading like fools, influencing Solo.), over exploiting asteroid fields, overhunting bounties.
The universe in Solo is just as affected as Open will be.

A lot of people may not want offline as a necessity, but as a guarantee that their universe is theirs. Open sounds like a solution to many, but for some it's just a crutch they weren't asking for.

OK, but in a simulated galaxy of around 70'000 human populated systems, and who knows how many NPC's, the markets will still be volatile. I'd hope that Joe NPC would still want to try and cash in on a good deal