Same here. If something were to happen then we REALLY wouldn't get an offline mode.
Occasionally, Doesn't happen to often but is annoying when it does.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Same here. If something were to happen then we REALLY wouldn't get an offline mode.
I mean seriously....if you think that then why be here at all.
The one uniting thing about this game is faith and you say that?
They'd be doing us a service. Many of places have far better internet than any country in western europe.
There is this nice game store called GOG.com.
They sell games that I can download, no physical copies.
They are all totally DRM-free and are often games that are up to 30 years old. I am a frequent customer there. Because I can buy the game, can download it, keep it on my computer, can install it wherever, whenever I want and I KNOW that I will still be able to play them in decades to come.
This is what I want.
This is what was promised from Elite Dangerous.
Whether or not it can be purchased physically or not is not the point.
I am not spending any emotional investment in a product that may be gone sometime in the future. Especially when paying money for it.
what part of PERMANANT dont you understand
They have already been told they can have a refund, why are they still here?
Really, that's the issue. For those of us who pledged big in Kickstarter, our money is gone. That's always the (understood) risk... and up until this evening, I've never seriously regretted pledging as high as I did. Legally, I haven't a leg to stand on in terms of ever getting that money back.
Announcing the removal of a core tenet of the game (not a "nice to have" as Michael seems to be toning it) at this late stage leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth.
Morally, it is a betrayal of trust. Frontier have failed in their moral obligations. I will not soon forget this.
There hasn't even been an apology.
Yes but lets be honest you will still be playing Elite...
Am I right?
Doesn't effect me as always planned to be connected when playing ED, however I can understand why people are feeling upset. Also seems odd that they've left it so late to announce this when they clearly knew this was going to be the case sometime back going by MB's replies in this thread.
I hope an amicable solution can be found for all parties, unfortunately that doesn't look too likely.
I hope an amicable solution can be found for all parties, unfortunately that doesn't look too likely.
You could also leave your house tomorrow and be hit by a bus and no longer be able to play Elite. If you bought the game and get to play it for a few years or more (with no monthly subscription ) before the game is shut down, then I would say you got your moneys worth. There are plenty of single player games that cost the same or more then Elite that are over after 40-50 hours.
There's no point anyone fighting over the availability of internet one way or the other. Obviously this situation affects some people quite badly, but equally they won't have made the decision lightly, indeed they have almost certainly had a long process with respect to this. I suspect the point at which they decided it wouldn't be feasible was however rather earlier than this, and they should really have made it plain sooner, that's a failing of their communication and noone can honestly deny that. Even today they essentially left it ambiguous in the newsletter, rather than offering the sort of detailed explanations and clarifications that later had to be issued via the forums.
But they will have taken this decision seriously, and they aren't doing it consciously harm anyone here. I've heard people refer to it as betrayal, fraud and other such hyperbole. It's reasonable for those who will now find the game more or less unplayable to be frustrated, but this is nonetheless still a game, the developers are almost certainly working in good faith, and quite likely refunds in some cases will be honoured due to the significant effect this will have on some backers.
There is no sense whatsoever in dozens of pages of getting angry over it. It helps noone, it achieves nothing. I certainly hope that the majority will be largely unaffected and be able to enjoy what has been accomplished, and continues to be accomplished with this project. Considering the relatively modest beginnings I think it is not unreasonable to say that the game as a whole has achieved extraordinary things. I hope to see it continue to do so.
But they will have taken this decision seriously, and they aren't doing it consciously harm anyone here. I've heard people refer to it as betrayal, fraud and other such hyperbole. It's reasonable for those who will now find the game more or less unplayable to be frustrated, but this is nonetheless still a game, the developers are almost certainly working in good faith, and quite likely refunds in some cases will be honoured due to the significant effect this will have on some backers.
There is no sense whatsoever in dozens of pages of getting angry over it. It helps noone, it achieves nothing. I certainly hope that the majority will be largely unaffected and be able to enjoy what has been accomplished, and continues to be accomplished with this project. Considering the relatively modest beginnings I think it is not unreasonable to say that the game as a whole has achieved extraordinary things. I hope to see it continue to do so.
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Right now it looks like I will stay here until Monday.
Then, when the current emontions have settled down a little, I will decide whether or not I will ask a refund for the game, at least the parts that I purchased in the store.
It depends on the reaction from Frontier to all of this.
If I will ask for a refund I will say goodbye here and I doubt that you will read from me after that ever again.
It was done by hosting an instance of the server on the LAN. That's clearly not a viable solution as distributing a copy of the server with the game would be stupid. It'd be reverse engineered in no time at all, and people would use that knowledge to game the actual servers, either through knowledge of the way the background simulation works, or through security holes identified through that process. This would have been vetoed very quickly. An alternative would be to implement a server that behaves differently to the real one, but it would still expose information about networking that could be problematic to secure. The best solution would be to remove the server requirement entirely and have two paths through the code for online and offline modes. I suspect this wouldn't be trivial (you're probably right in your assertion that the game was primarily designed with online in mind) and there simply isn't enough resource to do it in a satisfactory way.
I don't think they're that naive to assume everyone would be okay with it. They may have underestimated the number of people who have backed the game with offline in mind, but I suspect they considered the possibility and weighed it up against the resource required to get the job done. A cold business decision, but that's what businessmen have to do. What disappoints me is that it comes across as very duplicitous; FDEV were happy to use it as a carrot to get the project funded, but there's no sign that it was a hard decision to take, no apologies for taking the decision, just a cold "it's gone" in a newsletter.
This I agree with. I really hope that we get some sort of statement on this issue, and Frontier don't just pretend it never happened.
People have waited a long time, pledged a lot of money, given literally years of feedback and invested a lot of "love" into this game - to the point of literally feeding the devs pizza.
For a small, but non-trivial, number of people this will be extremely upsetting news.
It's a bit harsh to say "Don't like it? Off you pop then!". Imagine if the news was "its Mac only!" - but I don't have a Mac! - "Welp, that's just hard luck, it'll maybe be ported one day - best get a refund and don't let the door hit you on the way out!"
If it had to happen, then it had to happen - but it reinforces the rather secretive nature of FD, damages trust and, at least for me, leaves a bit of a sense of foreboding for the Gamma.
Were you a bit disgusted by the point she made about having to spend long periods in hospital undergoing treatment and one of her enjoyments was to play offline games or a different point?
Theres probably a handful of solutions to this predicament. Question of if they can commit to it or how they can make sure they can commit to it.
If he were hit by a bus then he'd have bigger problems to think about.
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I just want to put this out there. The FCC produced a map of broadband availability in the USA.
All places shown in red are populated areas without at least 3Mbps down. Most of them have much less than even that.
http://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/fcc.Unavail_20111007_2/page.html#5/39.521/-97.998
I, fortunately, live in a very green area with 100Mbps and soon with options to go up to a gig. However, my neighbors across the river are struggling with DSL.
EDIT: Actually it is worse than that...dark green is good, light green is under serviced (less than 3M) and red is UNAVAILBLE...as in they have dial-up or bust
All places shown in red are populated areas without at least 3Mbps down. Most of them have much less than even that.
http://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/fcc.Unavail_20111007_2/page.html#5/39.521/-97.998
I, fortunately, live in a very green area with 100Mbps and soon with options to go up to a gig. However, my neighbors across the river are struggling with DSL.
EDIT: Actually it is worse than that...dark green is good, light green is under serviced (less than 3M) and red is UNAVAILBLE...as in they have dial-up or bust
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I wonder when Frontier announces that the non-subscription play they hoped for isn't possible and is replaced with a €10 p.month subscription. My guess it will be Dec 17
I'm more shocked by comments made against those who have complained about the no offline game. It's been a case of: "just get your refund and get lost!"
That's a good way to encourage people into the game isn't it?
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And there's no anti online comments. There's nothing wrong with that, that's fine (apart from all the bugs that still exist). It's the fact that FD have taken away the offline game that they promised and what many were hoping for.
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actually have you read the terms and conditions on a refund? Technically the moment you dl'd the client you where not able to get a refund. As per the refund policy on the store, I've not seen an offical post stating otherwise.
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