Or maybe learn how to adapt.
News NPC AI update
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Or maybe learn how to adapt.
Partially agreed. I think there must be balance. Old was way to easy ..... new is terminater style.
I think if the AI is right between then and now .... its perfect for everybody.
For now ...... i leave the game alone till its more balanced. Some will state i'm not escaping the correct way ... or do other stuf wrong .... well i do all mentioned in the forum ... watched escape video's ... still get killed in 50% of the cases in my T7.
I submit .. target next system ... ow BOOM killed before jump.
Hope the balancing comes soon ... because i mis playing [sad]
You just can not say this to a new player, Elite is a complicated game to learn when you first start playing, and asking a new player to try and keep up with the new AI is just not going to be fun for them and they will probably leave with a bad taste in there mouth. have the new AI only in open play, keep the old AI in solo and suggest to new players to say in solo until they master the basics. after all that's is were FD are going to get there money from, they already have yours and mine. you then have a choice to risk or gamble your hard earned cash and not be forced into losing some thing you spent so much time getting.
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Come to think of it, since I parked up my T7 I have not had the problems with the deadly AI, may be its the type of ship you are flying that triggers the AI .
I don't think new players will have a major problem. During beta I restarted my save and it wasn't too tough. It does have a steep learning curve though.
Also ignore the steam reviews, if you look at the time most oof them were written was when the NPC's were bugged with super weapons. Also a lot of them are by people who have played 100s of hours.
You just cannot reset your save and expect that you're experiencing what new players experience, unless you could erase your brain as well. This is not a good comparison. There are tons of tricks that you learn as you play that just simply cannot be taught to new players.
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But I am having to relearn now. Starting from the beginning was a lot easier then now, as my combat rank is higher now I am being put against tougher ships. Harmless ships are still very easy to kill. Yes a novice will find them more difficult, but certainly not impossible.
The thing is, is that we have had it easy. In the past I would attack a ship and it would go into a kebab roll and would never shoot back. Now they do. We all need to adapt, apart from the really good pilots that still find it easy.
I have already started to adapt, we need to look at our ships outfitting a bit more to make us more survivable etc. Make sure you have the strongest shields with SCB's, learn how to use some Assist off piloting (I am really trying with that, some make it look easy, but man I find it tough), all these things will help, and learn to run (Hi-wake as you are not effected by mass lock) when things are looking bad.
You can do it, if I can so can anybody else.
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My perspective, after intentionally sticking with alot of fights :
What I like...
- Deadly/ELITE NPCs present a real and serious threat to my Ships
--> I can win the fights with proper Pips Management, FA off flying, Weapons Selection and application of Defensive Measures. Usually does cost me Shields and I occasionally end up in a badly damaged Ship (despite being fully Mil-Grade gear)...
What I don't like...
- Intertia-free big Ships that can maneuver like Anti-Grav Turrets... they run Class 10A Thrusters with Mods on top obviously.
- SubSystem Targeting? Hardly a chance with an NPC that almost always presents me its nose - it's a Shield- and then mostly Hull-Tank fight.
- Damaged SubSystems on NPCs? They don't seem to suffer - as opposed to me, who has to deal with multiple degradations/malfunctions at a time on occasion.
- Mission-based insta-spawns and insta-interdictions (sometimes within 3-4sec after getting the Mission-Critical update) right behind me...
When ordinary NPCs triggered onto me start joining the Mission-based spawn, things get really ugly.
I can handle alot, but not two (or even three) ELITE NPCs firing off their special modded Weapons onto me with grim accuracy. And those do hurt. Alot.
Add the eons old bug of the warping-around Escape Vector on Interdictions on top of that, even I am beginning to get into serious trouble, even in maximum-kitted Ships. Best stuff money can buy.
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Overall :
+ good on making NPCs harder
- lacking any Sandbox ruling all global "laws of the Universe", the NPCs still seem to have some very unfair advantages
- they still seem to love to ram, and based on the Damage I'm suffering even in very heavy Rigs, they seem to carry a crapload of HRPs... somewhere... don't ask me where they stuff those
(Ships I used to afterburn into just for kicks in V2.0 would now take me down to critical hull instantly, like they're 2000tons heavier but yet manuver like lightweight Vipers or Eagles)
It's impossible to tell for me, but it seems the NPCs are closely tied to Ship type flown and Combat Rank.
Thus, I'm kinda okay getting beaten the crap out of me even by Ships I clearly wouldn't expect it from (I'm Triple ELITE, so it's okay for me to get hard stuff thrown at me) - but I really hope casual Players don't get presented the same uber-killer NPCs I frequently see.
What I like...
- Deadly/ELITE NPCs present a real and serious threat to my Ships
--> I can win the fights with proper Pips Management, FA off flying, Weapons Selection and application of Defensive Measures. Usually does cost me Shields and I occasionally end up in a badly damaged Ship (despite being fully Mil-Grade gear)...
What I don't like...
- Intertia-free big Ships that can maneuver like Anti-Grav Turrets... they run Class 10A Thrusters with Mods on top obviously.
- SubSystem Targeting? Hardly a chance with an NPC that almost always presents me its nose - it's a Shield- and then mostly Hull-Tank fight.
- Damaged SubSystems on NPCs? They don't seem to suffer - as opposed to me, who has to deal with multiple degradations/malfunctions at a time on occasion.
- Mission-based insta-spawns and insta-interdictions (sometimes within 3-4sec after getting the Mission-Critical update) right behind me...
When ordinary NPCs triggered onto me start joining the Mission-based spawn, things get really ugly.
I can handle alot, but not two (or even three) ELITE NPCs firing off their special modded Weapons onto me with grim accuracy. And those do hurt. Alot.
Add the eons old bug of the warping-around Escape Vector on Interdictions on top of that, even I am beginning to get into serious trouble, even in maximum-kitted Ships. Best stuff money can buy.
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Overall :
+ good on making NPCs harder
- lacking any Sandbox ruling all global "laws of the Universe", the NPCs still seem to have some very unfair advantages
- they still seem to love to ram, and based on the Damage I'm suffering even in very heavy Rigs, they seem to carry a crapload of HRPs... somewhere... don't ask me where they stuff those
(Ships I used to afterburn into just for kicks in V2.0 would now take me down to critical hull instantly, like they're 2000tons heavier but yet manuver like lightweight Vipers or Eagles)
It's impossible to tell for me, but it seems the NPCs are closely tied to Ship type flown and Combat Rank.
Thus, I'm kinda okay getting beaten the crap out of me even by Ships I clearly wouldn't expect it from (I'm Triple ELITE, so it's okay for me to get hard stuff thrown at me) - but I really hope casual Players don't get presented the same uber-killer NPCs I frequently see.
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Good idea CMDR....let them play their "im so tough" amongst themselves.
Seriously, one of the silliest comments ever. Resetting your character does not make you a new player! Lol... You have no idea what it's like for a new player today. Your new player 'experience' was quite different. It was far easier. (And BTW why didn't you also reset your main game character? Afraid of something? Too challenging maybe?)
2.1 is bad for new players and bad for the long term health of this franchise. It's not fun for many.
Talking of silly comments...
I suspect he didn't reset his main game save because he's invested hundreds of ours in it.
I will try the game again next month
Yes the game is playable, the AI is good, but 3 and 4 against one is a bit much and unless you are running empty it just a pain to travail. So until next month its good bye from me if its fixed then I may get the upgrade but until its fun to play no,they have a lot of work to do to make the game fun again so I have given them until the end of July before I delete the game.
Yes the game is playable, the AI is good, but 3 and 4 against one is a bit much and unless you are running empty it just a pain to travail. So until next month its good bye from me if its fixed then I may get the upgrade but until its fun to play no,they have a lot of work to do to make the game fun again so I have given them until the end of July before I delete the game.
I reset my main character in 2.1, & I can confirm that it's not too hard, because the NPC's you meet are very much determined by your current combat rank. In random encounters, I never met any NPC's higher than Expert.....and those were the exception. Oh, & surely you could make your point without being so rude and abusive?
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NPC are incredibly too strong... i can't even turn my ship to have them in front of me as they outmanouver continuously...
I'm with Lavigny-Duval and Federal Agent are stoping me in RES field... I cannot even bounty hunt !!
Luckily my cargo is empty because otherwise i would have 10 ship straight against me... including Anaconda, Fer de Lance...etc.
Even if i kill Federal Agent, i'm sure more will come back... when i'm bounty hunting...
What are doing Federal Agent in a RES site ?! It's even not a strategic place for Power Play...
I'll have to leave my power if it's continue like this... and then i'll see Anacadonas, Fer de Lance... are impossible to play... grinding will be even harder if we only have to destroy small ship...
Edit : I finally managed to fight against the Federal Agent by attacking him first and using reverse thrusters to have him in front of me... But never put down his shield below 50%. He had a Vulture and me a maxed out Cobra Mk3.
Then i had a 400cr bounty on my head because i defend myself from the Federal Agent... And then Security Force came to hunt me down as i was wanted... (It's a bug !).
I'm with Lavigny-Duval and Federal Agent are stoping me in RES field... I cannot even bounty hunt !!
Luckily my cargo is empty because otherwise i would have 10 ship straight against me... including Anaconda, Fer de Lance...etc.
Even if i kill Federal Agent, i'm sure more will come back... when i'm bounty hunting...
What are doing Federal Agent in a RES site ?! It's even not a strategic place for Power Play...
I'll have to leave my power if it's continue like this... and then i'll see Anacadonas, Fer de Lance... are impossible to play... grinding will be even harder if we only have to destroy small ship...
Edit : I finally managed to fight against the Federal Agent by attacking him first and using reverse thrusters to have him in front of me... But never put down his shield below 50%. He had a Vulture and me a maxed out Cobra Mk3.
Then i had a 400cr bounty on my head because i defend myself from the Federal Agent... And then Security Force came to hunt me down as i was wanted... (It's a bug !).
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No it's not silly as I got an idea of how hard the NPC's are at Harmless level. THEY ARE NOT HARD AT ALL. Did you reset your commander at beta to see what its like?
Now it's my turn to be rude. Stop being a cry baby and learn how to fly your ship better like I have to, instead of moaning on the forums. The only AI that is really super tough are the Dangerous and Elite variety as they should be, but they are still easy to escape from. As I have said earlier, there is plenty of advice from better pilots then me on the forum, why don't you look or ask, is it really that hard for you, or is your pride getting in the way.
As to resetting my save, yes I have seriously thought about doing it. Credits has never been driving factor in the game for me, having fun is and resetting was great fun in beta. But it want to wait till I get a VR HMD before I reset my Commander. I am also in the middle of an exploration as well.
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To be fair, a Vulture should eat a maxed out Cobra for Breakfast in a fight. It has better shields, better fire power and far better manouverability. In that situation, your best bet is to run as you should have a better top speed.
A Cobra is a multi purpose ship, its not the best at anything, but good at a lot of roles, but putting your 350000 credit multirole cobra against a 5 million dedicated combat ship like a Vulture is asking for trouble. Pick your fights more carefully.
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Lol Vulture vs Cobra... Yeah I wonder who'd win.
Have to say, that made me laugh as well.
This can easily be programmed. Many AI Chess games operate in like fashion, allowing the player better and better AI players as your chess rating increases. Most Chess players start out in the 700-800 range if they understand the simple nuances of the game and usual opeining moves, etc. As your skill increases, i.e. your rating say into the 1100-1500 range, the AI skill of the computer's chess opponent also increases with ever increasing difficulty until your proper rating is determined. When you hit the master level and above, 2000-2500 say, then you get in to the tougher ranking AI opponents. This could be incorporated easily into the AI programming for ED as well.
But, here, there needs to be a distinction between those wanted to fight and those who just want to discover, trade and mine. Occasionally, there should be the pirate in the un-policed areas of the galaxy just as there are in certain parts of the city where you expect to get mugged at night, if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. But, emphasis on the word "Occasionally" since we didn't all buy E.D. to fight our way across the galaxy. Just my HO.