ObsidianAnt: Frontier - What The HECK Is Going On With Elite Dangerous?

[Lateralus]

Been following OAs videos for years and his enthusiasm for the game pretty much mirrors mine and everyone I used to play the game with. Sentiment for Elite is pretty much in the floor everywhere except here where the diehards still try to convince themselves that everything is fine and Fdev are just tweaking things so they can focus on the PC game (yeah right).

Fdev clearly aren't interested in investing more than a skeleton crew in Elite to keep the lights on and the odd small update here and there. Not exactly very confidence-inspiring is it. Unless something drastic changes I can't see myself returning to Elite in any serious way, which is a shame considering how many hours I've got in the game.

 

[Ohanka]

The levels of vitriol and hatred on this forum at any and all who dare suggest Frontier isn't the second coming and ED isn't a flawless creation is unparalleled.

 

[SasaThargoidsHunter]

Been following OAs videos for years and his enthusiasm for the game pretty much mirrors mine and everyone I used to play the game with. Sentiment for Elite is pretty much in the floor everywhere except here where the diehards still try to convince themselves that everything is fine and Fdev are just tweaking things so they can focus on the PC game (yeah right).

Fdev clearly aren't interested in investing more than a skeleton crew in Elite to keep the lights on and the odd small update here and there. Not exactly very confidence-inspiring is it. Unless something drastic changes I can't see myself returning to Elite in any serious way, which is a shame considering how many hours I've got in the game.

Totally agreed, I mean how much things they must cancle, till the core community will wake up. VR? No plans ( canceled)! Ship interiors, which was mentioned in the Kickstartercampagne to be a solid part of elites future, no plans (canceled)! Mac OS support ? (Canceled)! Consoles ? (Canceled)! Issues with the ,,new,, creation of the planets, to be fixed (canceled)! So and now ? What will be the next thing?

i think the big hitpoint will be the end of FY 22, there are two ways from this point. They take money in their hands and try really to bring EDO to life or they decided to bring just only the last pairs of content and after this they will going into silence running with some minor fixes.. I mean come on, everyone from them speaks about new content but the PERFORMANCE is still a mess. How far from reality can they feelings for the community going too.

as an console ex player it shouldn’t bother me, but what’s me bother is that they simply lost the connection to the game. So hey Fdev when you need another Kickstarter campaign for elite do it, because it seems to be that your own game, isn’t in your sight of interest.

Sorry for being off topic

going into silence running

oh before I forget, Fdev should removed their advisement from PlayStation and Xbox for EDO, because this looks not good to make advisement on plattforms which didn’t get the product which is shown in this trailers.

 

[SasaThargoidsHunter]

If you were to look just a little closer, you would be hard pressed to find anyone who would consider the game 'flawless'. Of course, it fits better into your delusion of the nature of the "others", but it doesn't have much to do with reality. That's nothing but childish camp thinking.

Sorry to interrupt you, but childish is to think it’s all fine and try to hide this into some over the top comments. So let me know are you happy with the current outcome ? Yes or no ? Is it so hard to accept that peoples criticized the game for good reason, or the fact that sometimes a good and well prepared critic is there?

for me OA and all the guys who are at the moment going behind the light and be open and honest are the loyalist players because they didn’t hide behind shiny new content and ignoring bugs, underperformance and all the other things which had corrupted due to EDO. After a year, the cancellation of consoles, the slowing down process for performance fixing, the constant ignorant behavior of Fdev, should it be allowed to be dissapointed. And didn’t forget the past before EDO silent running for a long time with some heavy bugs etc. For me it’s end with the last part of beyond. And yes I’ve been dissapointed by them due to the cancellation of consoles but guess what I was really thinking about a pc, for elite but then I spectated the last weeks and there is no chance that I will get a 1000 € pc for a unfinished, unpolished product. They are discussing the transfer to pc.? Cool, but why it is such a huge thing for them ? I mean in the meantime I can crossave my things in rainbow six siege and they sold this not as an big feature.

for me elite is such a beautiful trademark they should really think about their roots before they let elite dying.

and I think when elites revenue is underperforming again, David braben himself will let you know that elite going into silence running. Because the most pcler had EDO already the few 100 of switching cmdrs from console wouldn’t bring the next big Cashflow. So then the future is unclear.

 

[The Roofus]

The levels of vitriol and hatred on this forum at any and all who dare suggest Frontier isn't the second coming and ED isn't a flawless creation is unparalleled.

You new here? Daily there's threads critical of the game.

Don't confuse our dislike of Obsmugian Ant with disagreement with the things he says.

 

[Peter Mannion]

You new here? Daily there's threads critical of the game.

Don't confuse our dislike of Obsmugian Ant with disagreement with the things he says.

and daily there's threads and replies from the whiteknight army, primed and ready to stomp out the flames like firefighters on speed.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Some people are not going to like the follow up.

The new content, and addition of the Solar Ships, is very well presented, in NMS. I quite enjoyed a couple of hours play.
Naturally, I didn't need an influencer to tell me about it, I was playing it on the release day.

I suppose you are right, some people may not like the follow up, but still have the option, like me, of not watching it, surely?

 

[SasaThargoidsHunter]

I have no problems with people criticising Odyssey, and I even understand many of the reasons. But by now it almost feels like a sin to enjoy the game anyway! In the sense of "if you don't bash the game, you're not one of us". This is what I mean by "childish camp thinking". I'm not a digital person and for me it's not a simple matter of yes or no. Also, I am not one of those who want to jump down OA's throat. But he is also not some kind of God for me that I have to worship. I hope that's not too complex for you?

Thanks for that, then you’re not a guy who constantly arguing again well sorted critism, so then when it’s not so simple to answer with yes or no, you should see things clear like OA. Without stomping good open opinions into the ground like in your post before right?

 

[SasaThargoidsHunter]

The new content, and addition of the Solar Ships, is very well presented, in NMS. I quite enjoyed a couple of hours play.
Naturally, I didn't need an influencer to tell me about it, I was playing it on the release day.

I suppose you are right, some people may not like the follow up, but still have the option, like me, of not watching it, surely?

Ok when was the day, that OA is going to be suffers this ? I mean can you told my why we should ignore him? And did you have a good content creator right next to him? Beside of burr who is sadly catched by elite due to this is his only content? All the other guys are working on other games, as I mentioned before, he and especially D2EA shows how the opinions had change over the last year. They was both of them really in love with elite right? So why they are changing there direction? It’s just because they aren’t blind no more. It’s hit me in the same way, and to be honest my disgrace for elite Grow in the same way like by them, as an former caretaker and white knight, I highly understand their position.

for me OA has told the truth in the most sorted way like he does it back in the days.

 

[Winterwalker]

and daily there's threads and replies from the whiteknight army, primed and ready to stomp out the flames like firefighters on speed.

Possibly because grown ups - under which I don't classify myself of course - realise flaming (outside direct-to-dev bug report or suggestion forums) is NOT the way to get improvements. It ONLY undermines (the game's) financial viability, holing it below the water line by forcing devs into grabbing the cheapest quickest routes out of permanent short term crisis.

Brave internet warriors ought to learn the value of discretion, in where they air criticism because the route decides whether it's constructive criticism or plain destructive advertising.

I guess people are too important now for Aesop (if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all), Thumper (!) or Falstaff (discretion is the better part of valour) .. probably even Velvet Underground?? (2m45s, you poor sad people) But there really is such a thing as self fulfilling prophecy so, since discretion really is the better part of valour, personally I'd rather you didn't learn that life lesson at the expense of a game that I put KS funding into. Go learn it some place else thanks. Cheers.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wxI4KK9ZYo

 

[Rat Catcher]

Ok when was the day, that OA is going to be suffers this ? I mean can you told my why we should ignore him? And did you have a good content creator right next to him? Beside of burr who is sadly catched by elite due to this is his only content? All the other guys are working on other games, as I mentioned before, he and especially D2EA shows how the opinions had change over the last year. They was both of them really in love with elite right? So why they are changing there direction? It’s just because they aren’t blind no more. It’s hit me in the same way, and to be honest my disgrace for elite Grow in the same way like by them, as an former caretaker and white knight, I highly understand their position.

for me OA has told the truth in the most sorted way like he does it back in the days.

You really should read what I wrote, rather than having a hissy fit about something I didn't say.

You are aware that other people are able to choose what they watch or don't watch, I assume?

 

[Viajero]

As an example, for me a clickbait was the "buy odyssey" as a fully developed game, trailer and all, button.

Not sure that really constitutes click bait tbh. There are all kinds of products out there. Good, bad and meh. And luckily you have all the usual reviews and scores to help you decide before you “click” in your eventual purchase, plus the refund option to “unclick” even if you don’t like it. In EDO what you see is what you get so

 

[amigacooke]

Not sure that really constitutes click bait tbh. There are all kinds of products out there. Good, bad and meh. And luckily you have all the usual reviews and scores to help you decide before you “click” in your eventual purchase, plus the refund option to “unclick” even if you don’t like it. In EDO what you see is what you get so

I thought that click bait implies an element of falsification in the title in relation to the actual content. OA video titles tend to say what they are on the can. You may not like what the title says, but it's a stretch to call it click bait.

 

[myothershipisacobraiv]

and daily there's threads and replies from the whiteknight army, primed and ready to stomp out the flames like firefighters on speed.

Why not? Plenty of people holding down the fort of hating on the game.

How much did people really expect from Elite? Frontier is a pretty darn big developer but they're not Rockstar or Ubisoft here. I have personally gone from an opinion of "yeah, I see what this is doing, it has some problems, but it's OK", to "you know what this really can be pretty fun" as I gained in-game familiarity/skill, to "you know this is maybe pretty great" as my framerate has gone up the longer I can tweak the game and my system and overclock my hardware.

Update 12 I want people's CMDR's minimum and average frametimes put underneath their forum avatar when they make a post. Ship it.

 

[Viajero]

I thought that click bait implies an element of falsification in the title in relation to the actual content. OA video titles tend to say what they are on the can. You may not like what the title says, but it's a stretch to call it click bait.

"End of the Road?", "Its Days Are Numbered?", “Elite Dangerous a Sinking Ship?".

Betteridge's law of headlines - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

But that is by the by. Not sure arguing semantics or personal definitions of what click bait is is going to lead anywhere useful. All I can tell you is that whatever you want to call it in my particular case is not working out very well. Click bait by someone who probably even barely plays the game would have a reasonable chance to have that effect. But hey that is just me.

 

[StuartGT]

I thought that click bait implies an element of falsification in the title in relation to the actual content. OA video titles tend to say what they are on the can. You may not like what the title says, but it's a stretch to call it click bait.

Betteridge's law of headlines - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Not sure arguing semantics or personal definitions of what click bait is is going to lead anywhere useful. All I can tell you is that whatever you want to call it in my particular case is not working out very well.

Click bait by someone who probably even barely plays the game would have a reasonable chance to have that effect. But hey that is just me.

The video's title is "Frontier - what the heck is going on with Elite Dangerous?", which itself isn't clickbait, nor does Betteridge's Law of Headlines apply. This thread has the same title. It's a question directed at Frontier. The video's content is about Frontier's current and past communications about Elite's development, and the current lack of information regarding its ongoing and future development.

 

[Peter Mannion]

Possibly because grown ups - under which I don't classify myself of course - realise flaming (outside direct-to-dev bug report or suggestion forums) is NOT the way to get improvements. It ONLY undermines (the game's) financial viability, holing it below the water line by forcing devs into grabbing the cheapest quickest routes out of permanent short term crisis.

Brave internet warriors ought to learn the value of discretion, in where they air criticism because the route decides whether it's constructive criticism or plain destructive advertising.

I guess people are too important now for Aesop (if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all), Thumper (!) or Falstaff (discretion is the better part of valour) .. probably even Velvet Underground?? (2m45s, you poor sad people) But there really is such a thing as self fulfilling prophecy so, since discretion really is the better part of valour, personally I'd rather you didn't learn that life lesson at the expense of a game that I put KS funding into. Go learn it some place else thanks. Cheers.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wxI4KK9ZYo

flames were a metaphor for standard criticism. But I aint gonna stop you carrying on with your life lesson cringe ...

 

[Rat Catcher]

and daily there's threads and replies from the whiteknight army, primed and ready to stomp out the flames like firefighters on speed.

Indeed, look at the contributions in this thread...

Loving the game!

In 2014 I backed Elite Dangerous and got the lifetime pass on Kickstarter. It has proved to be fantastic value. Yes, EDO implementation in VR is limited but overall this game is still the best VR experience I have had. The progress the game has made has been phenomenal when one reflects back...

forums.frontier.co.uk

Quite a nice illustration of the lack of tolerence by some, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Jmanis]

How much did people really expect from Elite?

It's basic functions to, well, function as a matter of general operation?

And this is part of the problem... people conflate criticisms of this kind of nature with the "Why aren't there ship interiors where i can pat my cat and ponder my orb while idling supercruise time with a game of MarioKart 3308 which I bought at the last station from a kindly old woman whose son i visited for a cup of tea"-level change requests that are completely out of line.

But basic functions? Not repaired after many years? Yeah, that's a systemic problem, not a minor one.

 

[amigacooke]

Betteridge's law of headlines - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Not sure arguing semantics or personal definitions of what click bait is is going to lead anywhere useful. All I can tell you is that whatever you want to call it in my particular case is not working out very well.

Click bait by someone who probably even barely plays the game would have a reasonable chance to have that effect. But hey that is just me.

I'm a ED fan who watches OA content on ED, not really interested in his content on other software. As a streamer some are going to like his content some aren't.

I can't really understand how those who think his content isn't worth watching, think that stirring up a thread about that content is going to do anything other than make bystanders curious to find out what the fuss is about. If I was susceptible to conspiracy theories I might even think the Ant was behind it.

Free publicity, bring it on.