Odyssey Going Forwards

I don't personally think they broke any trust, they've done their best through actions to fix mistakes. Odysseys launch sure was rough, but right now its in a state that I would expect the launch state to be. Instead of throwing sticks and stones at them, it's better to help them, help you so to speak.
FFXIV is a pretty good example to use in some ways like you did, but even there you have some outliers like me. I used to love the game, but for me they did the opposite of all that. Being there from the start, I felt like they steered into a completely wrong direction for the game, patch after patch, expansion after expansion they strayed further from what I wanted. Can't blame them, but eventually it just became a game that wasn't for me anymore and I jumped ship. Same with R6:siege, I can't say it ever became a bad game, it just became a game that wasn't aimed for me and my friends anymore despite us being there since the very beginning. You can NEVER please everyone.

As for grind, I think that's an integral part of any game. Without it, you'll soon have nothing to aim for, but the mistake that people usually do is that they hyperfocus on goals which are far away and just try to sprint there instead of keeping in mind the whole "it's about the journey, not the destination" thing. Things you grind towards, should be just something that you keep in the back of your mind as slowly progress towards it while doing all kinds of other activities, but that's just my take on it and I'm sure people have compelling reasons for why they do that.
Going back to FFXIV as an example, I knew many people who would rush through the story, skip everything just to get to the endgame raid/trials, they did those in a few weeks and then went all "aw man there's nothing to do!".

With general opinions on something, it's good to keep in mind that the loud minority tends to paint a very skewed picture of how something is perceived. The quiet majority is just that, quiet and generally just enjoying themselves without any need to be brawling on forums and such.
The devs surely have to pick their words carefully too as it seems that people are very intent on interpreting everything in an odd way and turning it against them at every turn. It's like trying to appease angry family members as a nurse, you have a very limited amount of potential dialogue and you gotta work with what you can, should you open your mouth too much, you either get fired or in legal trouble. Things which are not in your control get pinned on you, any mistakes get branded on you etc.
I wish people would be more supportive in general, forgive lil blunders and so on. Can you see yourself doing a good job while a client is looking down on you and throwing stones at you every turn? I understand the general frustrations, they are there with a good reason no doubt, but the way people go about voicing these frustrations is a bit ehhh.
Honestly, I'm avoiding all the hate and negativity, I've been playing Elite since the good old days back on the Sinclair !! and I will stick with it , yes it was a rough launch as you said but I've tried other games and still noting touches the depth it delivers ....
 
Promising comms and regular posts regarding new content and fixes inc the elusive optimisation were all after, seems to chime well with fdev. One might say they bring it upon themselves being secretive and so on which l get. But your right (above post) defo we all need to take a step back. Always helps.
I for one have no issues wotsoever and I'm in VR. I'm not happy about it all but it works looks good and gameplay albeit grind festigulated, is what it is.
I'm taking my time on foot...none of this 18 hour complete all foot engineering and cos no content.
Contents what you make it..
Quite how they expect devs to create a constant stream just to placate their needs is beyond me.
Whilst I'm at it can we have a grappling hook!
And a bridge on my carrier! Not anyone else's just mine plox
 
I don't personally think they broke any trust, they've done their best through actions to fix mistakes. Odysseys launch sure was rough, but right now its in a state that I would expect the launch state to be.
They lied to us saying we were buying a complete, finished DLC then sold us a stable alpha. Trust broken! Also, update 5 was when I finally gave up playing. For me it's actually in a worse state than at release.
As for grind, I think that's an integral part of any game. Without it, you'll soon have nothing to aim for
You see, I play the game to fly spaceships, explore a little, fight a little and be a space trucker. I don't expect to grind for night vision in a spacesuit when it's free in the ship and SRV. Same with gun scopes - and I've never been able to join in the Thargoid game loop 'cause I just stopped at the Guardian grind.
I wish people would be more supportive in general, forgive lil blunders and so on.
I'll forgive lil blunders like invisible rocks and bad on foot VR, but they trashed performance, broke the lighting and added 20 plant models to keep explorers happy. They spent all the support I had to give them.
 
added 20 plant models to keep explorers happy

There are 41 subspecies of Bacteria alone in the region I'm in.

Mean to say, doesn't it sell 'explorers' a bit short to think all they're interested in is the 3D model when planet chemistry, atmosphere, geography and temperature are all having a bearing on what sort of pre Cambrian and Silurian type groups you find? Bacteria looks like a puddle - in terms of the 'model' - at first glance but I'm finding them the most interesting of the lot at the minute.

(Plus is it fair to describe FPS missions as boring when ppl are relogging to the same base again and again. OF COURSE THAT'S BORING. Not playing the game though is it.)
 
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Honestly, I'm avoiding all the hate and negativity, I've been playing Elite since the good old days back on the Sinclair !! and I will stick with it , yes it was a rough launch as you said but I've tried other games and still noting touches the depth it delivers ....
as someone who indeed Loves the game (amiga was my computer of choice back in the ancient days), trust has been broken time and again, some of us paidextra to Alpha test EDO as it seemed like something well worth doing, Initial bugs and graphics aside, people had lots of strong opinions on what was broken and what was good, also what could have added value if tweaked or modified. We were openly lied to about the release model of the game. what you are experiencing now is worse than the Alpha in lots of ways, including sky and terrain tech
 
at the moment I'm separating the game from all the stuff going on at frontier, rightly or wrongly I have loved this game for many many years in one form or another and would be devastated to see it fall by the wayside as a result of players abandoning the game to show frontier how they feel. personally, I very much hope there is a future for Elite, but if we all abandon the game and make it unprofitable to frontier there will be none, a game with no players is no game at all.
 
what you are experiencing now is worse than the Alpha in lots of ways, including sky and terrain tech

Apart from being common knowledge, that's also irrelevant. How do temporary and very minor roll backs (made in the interest of frames per second) improve other games? Or even affect the playability of this one, in anything other than a positive way? Not as good as alpha = Still better than Horizons.
 
So you suggest everyone continues to support the game with 'no plans'? The tag line alone already suggests no future imo.

That reads like trying to convince someone to stay in a hurtful relationship because they used to be happy together. It's up to the individual to decide what they should do and if fdev wants the game to blossom they should have been tending to the garden instead of letting the weeds grow rampant over the years of neglect
 
As aggrieved and let down as many of you rightly feel, I'm sure all we really want is a game we are can fall back in love with! but if the numbers keep falling and new commanders numbers dwindle due to bad comments or reviews, we need to keep the game alive and the only way to do that is to keep playing, if you want to boycott ODYSSEY and keep playing horizons, that I would understand, but just leaving the game to stagnate, no I cant do that.
 
As aggrieved and let down as many of you rightly feel, I'm sure all we really want is a game we are can fall back in love with! but if the numbers keep falling and new commanders numbers dwindle due to bad comments or reviews, we need to keep the game alive and the only way to do that is to keep playing, if you want to boycott ODYSSEY and keep playing horizons, that I would understand, but just leaving the game to stagnate, no I cant do that.

There are other games and activities available. I'm not going to play a video game simply to keep it alive. I'm sure thousands of others feel the same way.
 
Apart from being common knowledge, that's also irrelevant. How do temporary and very minor roll backs (made in the interest of frames per second) improve other games? Or even affect the playability of this one, in anything other than a positive way? Not as good as alpha = Still better than Horizons.
We paid a full-price game worth of new content and got something that still does not work reliably or well and still lacking promised visuals. Which I could have been ok with more if there was a more honest approach taken by management about the state their game is in. I do not see why people have to keep justifying the current issues, particularly from the point of view of an actual game player, do you not want what you paid for? or even if flawed, would you not want a bit more clarity about how they aim to improve things... "Judge us by our actions by the end of June"... we have waited an entire extra month, and even those words (paraphrased) have been proven empty... there are staff working extremely hard on this, there are community managers who are trying their hardest under the strict limitations placed upon them... time to just tell us straight about what they plan to do to fix the new game content and how they mean to make it more player-friendly. the current lack of optimization is still causing graphics and frame rate problems than more than many, the way it dangerously overheats some gaming computers, particularly right now, means that people are simply not playing the game at all.
 
how they mean to make it more player-friendly

Change trhe record though? We know you think you got less than value (I disagree with you) but you've said your bit what else is useful? Apart from perhaps suggesting where and how you think the game needs to be more player friendly. A little bit of help is always worth more than a heck of a lot of (getting quite repetitive) hot air.
 
I think we have all heard how bad everyone feels, and how bad the launch was ... over and over and over in as many variations as can be thrown into text, I just want to show my support for Elite .... the game .. the game I've enjoyed playing for over 6000 hours in its latest iteration, and in its previous versions who knows how many hours, I would hate to have that figure, I'm disabled and this game drags me on to my chair and to get involved with the community over and over day after day .. so am I going to keep playing and show support, your dam right I am!
 
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