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Then I think you need to wash your windshield.
Odyssey still very dark
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Then I think you need to wash your windshield.
Maybe it's too clean and shiny
Odyssey lets us wash the windshields in our ships? HOW?!? (Not even my car has that dirty windows)
and yet they didn't...
Yes, most space simulators I've seen simulate two light points when showing two stars!
Not disagreeing with this point - except your belief in a content patch. So far as we know, this is it until the next paid DLC comes along after the console release of Odyssey in the autumn (or even the spring of 2022).
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I'm conviced they're not saying anything about it because they have absolutely no intention of fixing it. The lighting engine has been completely broken since alpha and not even a peep of "we intend to address the lighting issues in a future patch". Instead, they have David come out and say it looks fine, and their recommendation for fixing graphical issues is to delete override modifications. While that may address a few edge cases where folks have screwed with their settings completely, it demonstrates they're not even on the same page as us in regards to the darkness of the new lighting engine and the ugliness of space.
To be clear, this isn't something that can be fixed by adjusting gamma or tweaking brightness or overriding colour settings in our video card control panel. They have completely replaced the lighting model used in Horizons with something designed only to look good for planetary surfaces. They will have seen this over the previous year of development and have decided it's absolutely fine. Even restoring self-illuminating textures and making stars glow correctly isn't going to revert the lighting to the previous model. As demonstrated in these screenshots, they're moving in a completely different direction with how scenes are renderered. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/dark-blurry-graphics-unplayable.575438/post-9175883 New lighting engine, new material shader, new everything. No amount of bringing up histograms and tweaking our settings is going to make any improvement. We can artificially increase gamma on our video card and it doesn't fix anything; just makes everything bright too bright, and crunches the blacks even more.
They might as well ditch the Stellar Screenshots thread now. There will be no more good looking space images unless they make a drastic u-turn on their decisions with the rendering which have clearly been in place for many many months now. They need to make a new one called "Pretty Planets" because, despite most planets now looking awful from space like everything else in space in this space game, it seems the only thing they care about is if they can get atmospheric surface planets looking good, on the surface. The rest of the experience be damned. I expect the only "fixes" they make in this area to be to restore emmissive textures and make the gamma slider more sensitive, neither of which address the underlying issue at all. I just wish they'd say so now instead of making me wait to see them break Horizons in a few months time with the graphics "upgrade" and kill the game for good.
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Really curious about this, as my observations have been (1) looks about the same, (2) stars seem brighter and prettier. I usually play on an old TV that's only 1280x720, so with my big pixels, the smaller stars are still clearly one bright pixel each--they used to be multiple pixels, and I never really liked that--felt unrealistic. I wonder if the problem with stars for people with better monitors is that the stars are still only one pixel, but the pixels are smaller.
I now wonder if my old monitor has meant I've never seen how good it could look, but also meant that I'm not now seeing the degradation others are reporting. Nothing really looks too dark to me, but maybe my monitor just can't show the black? Definitely not looking like some of the screenshots.
I now wonder if my old monitor has meant I've never seen how good it could look, but also meant that I'm not now seeing the degradation others are reporting. Nothing really looks too dark to me, but maybe my monitor just can't show the black? Definitely not looking like some of the screenshots.
I'm afraid you're right. That's exactly my feeling. I launched Odyssey three times and never found the will to test spacelegs, while I was waiting this feature for years.
Getting back to Horizon, it's like I've lost my will to play, with a bad taste of being milsead in some way.
For now I will park my ships and modules somewhere and get rid of my FC to stop these stupid fees from hurting my bank account. Maybe I will come again in the future but for now I feel the need to take a break.
It seems that all frontier devs have goooood monitors to see everything, but I don't.
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This isn't my pic but I jus wanna share this here coz it explains why it's not just a case of taste.. It is too dark to see in game elements properly!
Odyssey space has "too much contrast" - breaking down the rendering of a frame
I, as some many other people got appalled by the hideous luminance distribution and color saturation issues exhibited by the Odyssey renderer. Since I'm a computer graphics developer myself and do consulting work for critical graphics systems (think medical imaging, CT, MRI, and such) I took a...
Things that are supposed to be gray are totally black. Things that supposed to be dark gray are also black.
Gamma would not help it is just borked during mistake during programming shaders and this results in dark rendering.
Glad I'm not the only one who hates the new lighting. I've been looking to see how I can get the cockpit view at all similar to the Horizon version but given up. It's just so different and horrendous in Odyssey. I know many people have states this already, but look at the below. This is in the same place in the system, just switched between H and O. The view is now completely overtaken by the holo/radar flair. You can't see anything of the cockpit itself and the HUD text is dimmer than before (I know I can adjust the brightness in the right hand HUD panel, but that just makes the holo/radar even worse.
I feel like the fact that most self-illuminating textures aren't functioning, addresses most of the issues shown. Skybox is missing all self-illumination of stars (same as ship light textures, glow textures, trophy textures, etc - all missing their self-illumination). Self-illumination is additive. So all those little stars, even if they're barely adding anything, add up to completely change how the skybox appears. Missing self-illumunation quite easily explains how
All the analysis threads that have gone into how there's too little gamma, or too much gamma, or too much contrast, or too much saturation, or etc etc, completely skip the fact that if you miss out an entire step in your rendering pipeline, you can't perform any meaningful analysis on the rest of it whatsoever, since it's dependent on something which isn't present. Once self-illuminating textures function again, we may see virtually all these issues resolved immediately. And then they can tone down the over-brightening they've put on certain elements because they were otherwise invisible.
Hell, the HUD is probably meant to be self-illuminating as well, adding a soft brightness that makes it appear as a glowing hologram rather than flat colour which we have to turn up brightness to even see. Those little console lights bottom left in the screenshots above are meant to be self-illuminating. They're not. If Fdev fix self-illumination which is missing from their renderer at present (see all neon and lights not function on SRV above, as well as numerous other ship screenshots missing all self-illumination from engines, neon paint, etc) most of our issues may go away fairly rapidly.
All the analysis threads that have gone into how there's too little gamma, or too much gamma, or too much contrast, or too much saturation, or etc etc, completely skip the fact that if you miss out an entire step in your rendering pipeline, you can't perform any meaningful analysis on the rest of it whatsoever, since it's dependent on something which isn't present. Once self-illuminating textures function again, we may see virtually all these issues resolved immediately. And then they can tone down the over-brightening they've put on certain elements because they were otherwise invisible.
Hell, the HUD is probably meant to be self-illuminating as well, adding a soft brightness that makes it appear as a glowing hologram rather than flat colour which we have to turn up brightness to even see. Those little console lights bottom left in the screenshots above are meant to be self-illuminating. They're not. If Fdev fix self-illumination which is missing from their renderer at present (see all neon and lights not function on SRV above, as well as numerous other ship screenshots missing all self-illumination from engines, neon paint, etc) most of our issues may go away fairly rapidly.
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There's so many great minds on here trying to help out... you'd swear this wasn't just a game. It's kinda something more i feel. Well done to everyone for all their effort though even if it goes under appreciated
For everyone who have never seen a real night sky, away from light pollution, and think space is black.
This is from Earth. Through a very thick atmosphere that we all know and love.
I've seen those skies myself. The pictures don't do them justice. They are the most magnificent view I ever had.
This is Elite, in space, with no light pollution, and no atmosphere.
I think the red ish thing is the milky way.
Can you see the difference ?
Please if you can, at least once in your life, you should go and see that sky for yourself.
I'd like it fixed. Thank you.
This is from Earth. Through a very thick atmosphere that we all know and love.
I've seen those skies myself. The pictures don't do them justice. They are the most magnificent view I ever had.
This is Elite, in space, with no light pollution, and no atmosphere.
Can you see the difference ?
Please if you can, at least once in your life, you should go and see that sky for yourself.
I'd like it fixed. Thank you.
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This! It's clearly brokenWell worth a read, if you haven't already.Odyssey space has "too much contrast" - breaking down the rendering of a frame
I, as some many other people got appalled by the hideous luminance distribution and color saturation issues exhibited by the Odyssey renderer. Since I'm a computer graphics developer myself and do consulting work for critical graphics systems (think medical imaging, CT, MRI, and such) I took a...forums.frontier.co.uk
Like many other commentaries on the subject, this thread misses out the fact that an entire step of the rendering pipeline is missing. It's not necessarily that there's too much contrast or that it's made too dark. The self-illumination pass never occurs. You can't do meaningful analysis on a renderer which misses an entire lighting pass. Or it does, but somewhere along the way they accidentally strip all flags indicating which textures should be self-illuminated. Either way, most self-illuminating textures in the game (eg, the skybox, the hud, holo-trophys, neon paint, ship lights, etc), now aren't.
Edit: Thinking about it, it seems more likely they're accidentally stripping flags from textures, than that the pass isn't occurring. As there's plenty of self-illuminating textures in the new planetary bases (unless they're not, and its just all bright textures and bloom). It's just missing from virtually everything that's not a new Odyssey station interior.
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The game is clearly too dark in space and planets like class M planets or ice planets are cleary too bright.
Besides realism and physics being somewhat of an artistic choice that you can like or not...gameplay isn't!
-If it doesn t make sense to dogfight without nightvision it would also not make sense to have the planetary upgrade in the first place.
Besides realism and physics being somewhat of an artistic choice that you can like or not...gameplay isn't!
-If it doesn t make sense to dogfight without nightvision it would also not make sense to have the planetary upgrade in the first place.