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Open Letter Mr Braben and Mr Sammarco
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No, it does not. Players have every choice to NOT go to a CG held in an Anarchy, and every choice to go do something else.
Don't leave us hanging, Deadspin! Finish the sentence!
Ian Phillips
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No it isn't allowed on the forums anywhere, in any language.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention, but next time please report it. Thank you.
Just respect speed limits and they will just not be able to crash into your ship and get you killed by security
So much this. Frontier implemented the speed limit to stop station griefing. If you won't obey the mechanic that was coded and put into the game at the request of the players to stop griefing then I don't feel anyone really has the right to complain.
After enough infractions even I try to tone back now.
The thing is.. FD has never proposed a solution or counter to the "psycho serial killer" type players in the game. So the actual "believable" consequences you mention people reacting to are, in reality, the pve queen pipe dreams of forum carebears. Yes, that's a bit harsh, but it's an honest assessment of 98% of the suggestions for C&P that are given on this forum. Punishments that, if enacted, would severely punish any and all PK actions outside of a CZ to the point where killing another player would pretty much be in-game suicide for any other players.
So, the reason most "psycho killer" players react so vehemently to the "suggestions" on this forum is because they are the most ludicrous, unbalanced suggestions anyone has ever seen.
Per the recent conversation in the thread: I live/hunt/trade out of an Anarchy station. They're not dangerous at all.
Edit: As a side note, I don't run around blowing up other players either. I prefer to help people when needed or otherwise just pass along a o7 and continue with what I was doing.
Yes it would be liken to committing suicide if you chose to stay in lawful systems. That was the choice said player killer or Pirate made when they committed the murder or robbery.
After becoming wanted for the duration of the time across all lawful systems and or the ship that caused the crime is destroyed, then the pirate or PKer will have to stick to Anarchy and lawless systems. Law enforcement does everything that it can to keep the public safe.
Letting a serial killer or violent thief roam free isnt something that we allow even now. If a crime is committed and it is reported with detailed information, then the police dont go "meh, just let it go he hasnt killed someone in like a whole hour". No, they go and they try to capture that person. The only chance the criminal has is to hide. The only place they can hide is in Anarchy systems.
Think of it this way. A lawful system is the equivalent of a safe military/police patrolled shipping harbor here on earth. Those that are patrolling the harbor dont allow Pirate ships just to mingle around with the rest of the merchant ships. They are in fact barred from the harbor entirely and might be destroyed in the process.
Since we cant put you in virtual Jail there is only one equivalent. That is hit you in the the wallet.
Killing the griefer and making them go back to the system of their origin is a way to control the repeated offenses. So you had better have your last landing location be in an Anarchy system or you can kiss your ship goodbye.
There should be the same amount of risk at being a Pirate or PKer as there is being a trader or explorer.
Put it this way it is completely up to the Traders or Explorers discretion if they allow you to kill them. Their current benevolence allows you to have your fun. They can always go to Solo or Mobius and then you have no one to shoot at.
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It's sort of surprising that if there are so many CMDRs having this problem with 1-2 people at a station, that you haven't all comm'ed and agreed to attack him en masse at one particular time. 5-8 ships firing on the guy would have him destroyed within seconds (if he doesn't combat log. And if he does, just do it again.)
Work together and end the threat, people. The tools are there.
Work together and end the threat, people. The tools are there.
This is why I will NEVER play in open. I would rather play this game solo than play with people, people ruin games. And it only takes a couple to ruin a game enough for me to leave the game (or find a way to play by myself). So the whole open vs solo debate? a pointless debate, open will always be ruined by greifers and such, and nothing can really be done about it, and solo is the only way to avoid greifers.
Until greifers are punished openly and shamed in front of the world, this will only get worse.
Until greifers are punished openly and shamed in front of the world, this will only get worse.
Duly +1'd
Where did I read this type of response before? I don't quite recall but I seem to remember that there was a player once who tried to grief another player in an anarchy system, it didn't work and he got destroyed instead, complaining about a rebuy. I swear I read something like that, arguing that all is fair in love and anarchy systems.
Stop complaining about abuse because it's an anarchy system? That's a poor excuse, sorry.
Yea that would work if you didnt have to wait on those people to show up. When have you ever seen more than 6 people in the same system other than Maia, a CG, or some other well known event?
Its not that easy and there is no in game way to put out an SOS.
Jezus christ , so now you can even "grief" in a anarchy system in open.
#facepalm
#facepalm
This is happening at a CG, isnt' it?
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You're aware of the meaning of Anarchy, yes?
The ram has pushed target ships above the 100 m/s limit, and caused stations to fire on the target of the ram.
NPC's do it too. The Mistress of Minions could crush any PK with just a raised eyebrow.
But since all modes get the same NPC's meant to challenge the highest level statistical skill distribution in Open ("NPC's are too easy!") all NPC's are out to kill you in solo. The no cargo ones are annoying.
So, solo players are getting griefed, because griefers are being mirrored by thier counterpart NPC's. Thanks, guys!
Offline mode, difficulty slider. Instant $100.00 USD from me.
Low speed ramming isn't "by design" it's an exploit.
Yes, absolutely. You are aware of the meaning of exploit, yes?
Look, if I or anyone else get caught with pants down in an anarchy system and destroyed in an open, somewhat fair, fight- fine. No issues, no complaining, all good.
If I get ganked by an exploit, regardless how clever it is, in an anarchy system so the exploiter does not fear retaliation as much, then not all good.
Spot the difference?
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No it isn't.
Best regards,
The ED community.
People are missing the point. Whether or not it is within the rules of the game, the game called out to the masses for resources in this system. People feel good trying to help out and getting rewards in return. People being zapped by PKs just because its an anarchy system does not come into the original reason for taking up this task. People don't think, 'hmm anarchy system, I'll give it a miss'.
When they get zapped or exploited or whatever and have to pay out a sizable chunk of their in game earnings just to recover, people feel sad, aggrieved and retreat to solo. Who does that leave behind? The galaxy shaped by PKs!
I don't buy it and it think something needs to change.
When they get zapped or exploited or whatever and have to pay out a sizable chunk of their in game earnings just to recover, people feel sad, aggrieved and retreat to solo. Who does that leave behind? The galaxy shaped by PKs!
I don't buy it and it think something needs to change.
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The issue is not whether greifers greifers for or against.
The point is that two players with large ships blocked the entrance to a CG station. And young or novice players who know many things they do not understand, and stop playing saying it's not worth it.
It can be funny for the player who blocks, but the novel is inevitably die or not leaving the Estation or two elements that push it back inside the station.
That's not greifers that's just evil
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saludos
El tema no es si greifers a favor o greifers en contra.
La cuestion es que dos jugadores con naves grandes bloquean la entrada a una estacion de CG. Y los jugadores jovenes o noveles que desconocen muchas cosas no lo entienden, y dejan de jugar diciendo que no merece la pena.
Puede ser gracioso para el jugador que bloquea, pero el novel se ve irremediablemente a morir o por la estation al no salir o por dos elementos que lo empujan hacia adentro de la estacion.
Eso no es greifers eso es solo maldad
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The issue is not whether greifers greifers for or against.
The point is that two players with large ships blocked the entrance to a CG station. And young or novice players who know many things they do not understand, and stop playing saying it's not worth it.
It can be funny for the player who blocks, but the novel is inevitably die or not leaving the Estation or two elements that push it back inside the station.
That's not greifers that's just evil
Original
saludos
El tema no es si greifers a favor o greifers en contra.
La cuestion es que dos jugadores con naves grandes bloquean la entrada a una estacion de CG. Y los jugadores jovenes o noveles que desconocen muchas cosas no lo entienden, y dejan de jugar diciendo que no merece la pena.
Puede ser gracioso para el jugador que bloquea, pero el novel se ve irremediablemente a morir o por la estation al no salir o por dos elementos que lo empujan hacia adentro de la estacion.
Eso no es greifers eso es solo maldad