Open-Only in PP2.0?
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Now I believe that most would agree that there is considerable doubt as to whether Mr Braben would view himself a Lord, yet he is accused of such, which would seem to fit a pattern. The projection of ones own worst traits upon a perceived 'threat', the threat to one with a superiority complex being a 'better', as such all those who might appear to be such better people are targets for distain and attack. Now, I will take your statement and turn it into a question - "How far will folks with superiority complexes go before society reacts and does something about it?" ~ that is on the society ... We see this same phenomenon manifest in the fields of science, literature, art, music amongst many others, those who make create fields from their little but their genius, often really dislike their peers; Once the field is established that same person or their 'phenotype', who create, are then pushed out or marginalised by the orthodoxy, the usual suspects, often with no recognition of their achievements, until some later date.
I'm not putting Mr Braben into the same category as these folks but his creative genius is without doubt. However, should you not agree with my hypothesis as to what could be behind Mr Brabens choice, here are some examples that may encourage some further consideration from you.
Folk who either clashed with their peers, were alienated due to their unique brilliance, or were simply under appreciated in their lifetimes, very often chased out of the socially acceptable open normal.
Science & Mathematics
- Nikola Tesla
- Visionary inventor who clashed with Thomas Edison and was often dismissed for his far-reaching ideas about wireless power and energy.
- Isaac Newton
- Brilliant yet intensely combative, particularly with Robert Hooke and Leibniz, whom he accused of plagiarism.
- Charles Babbage
- Pioneer of computing whose Analytical Engine was poorly understood and supported by contemporaries.
- Richard Feynman
- Nobel Prize-winning physicist with a disdain for bureaucracy and a penchant for exposing incompetence.
- Alan Turing
- Genius cryptographer and father of modern computing who was ostracized socially and whose peers largely failed to grasp the full implications of his work.
- Marie Curie
- Despite her groundbreaking work in radioactivity, she faced significant discrimination as a woman.
- Eventually won two Nobel Prizes, but not without struggle.
- Rosalind Franklin
- Key contributor to the discovery of DNA’s double helix structure, overshadowed by Watson and Crick.
- Lise Meitner
- Co-discovered nuclear fission but was excluded from the Nobel Prize awarded to her collaborator Otto Hahn.
- Ramanujan
- The self-taught Indian mathematician whose insights were dismissed as unorthodox or unintelligible by European contemporaries.
- Ignaz Semmelweis
- Discovered the importance of handwashing in preventing infection, mocked by peers, and died in obscurity.
Philosophy & Literature
- Arthur Schopenhauer
- Scorned academic philosophers of his time, calling them "charlatans."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
- Deeply critical of his contemporaries, including academic philosophers and cultural figures.
- Emily inson
- The reclusive poet avoided most of her literary peers, finding the 19th-century literary scene shallow and uninspiring.
- H.P. Lovecraft
- His cosmic horror themes were dismissed in his time as eccentric and overly niche.
- Sappho
- Revered poet whose work was dismissed or ignored by later patriarchal societies.
- Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz
- A 17th-century Mexican scholar and poet condemned for her intellectual pursuits in a male-dominated society.
- Emily Brontë
- Known today for Wuthering Heights, but her work was deemed "strange" and poorly understood in her time.
Music & Art
- Ludwig van Beethoven
- Had strained relationships with peers and dismissed many of them as trivial or pandering to popular tastes.
- Vincent van Gogh
- Overlooked by the art world during his lifetime and estranged from many contemporaries.
- Caravaggio
- Revolutionary painter who constantly clashed with both peers and patrons.
- Clara Schumann
- Overshadowed by her husband, Robert Schumann, despite being one of the greatest pianists and composers of her era.
- Judith Leyster
- Dutch Golden Age painter whose works were attributed to male contemporaries for centuries.
- Hilma af Klint
- Swedish painter who created abstract works years before Kandinsky but was largely ignored.
Technology & Innovation
- Steve Jobs
- Visionary ideas often alienated him from peers who couldn’t see his vision for the future of technology.
- Ada Lovelace
- Often dismissed as an eccentric despite her visionary work on Babbage's Analytical Engine.
- Hedy Lamarr
- Co-created frequency-hopping technology but was largely dismissed during her lifetime.
- Katherine Johnson
- NASA mathematician critical to space exploration, ignored during her career because of her race and gender.
Historical Thinkers
- Socrates
- Alienated many in Athens for questioning societal norms and exposing the ignorance of his peers.
- Galileo Galilei
- Endured persecution due to his support for heliocentrism, which clashed with the Church and his scientific peers.
- Hypatia of Alexandria
- Her work as a pioneering mathematician and philosopher was erased by religious and societal prejudice.
- Mary Anning
- Self-taught fossil hunter whose discoveries laid the groundwork for paleontology but who was dismissed by male scientists.
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No no, the clear winner is Open Only in Solo!
never did i advocate for, as you say, all or nothing. yet you always seem to be happy to use it as an argument to discard anything i say. its like you dont even read what you are reacting to. how is it that you make a hurt outcry when i suggest there could be bonus (im my opinion something like 5-15% bonus merits) for playing open, yet have no issue suggesting that we should evacuate all our bgs we worked on, all the powerplay we already worked on, and get in the corner for wanting to play with more people (not to gank, not to grief, just to have more people in the game. or at least a chance to meet more people).
how am i to even take seriously anything you say?
that is true. surprisingly, both our claims can be true simultaneously. im not trying to argue.
that is not true.
im not really complaining how i cant pvp people. just seeing more people in the game would be fine for me (while of course being able to directly face your enemy in time of conflict would be nice bonus of this feature).
im not a ganker, ive never killed a player in my life, i dont particulalrly enjoy pvp (mainly because i suck at it) but im also not shying away from it. in the past few days ive met 2 people who tried to kill me and i couldnt be more happy (i also recall everyting i said about mandalay not being pay to win after it handed my behind back to me
[jk])i just think that more people in open would make the game better. i think that some incentive could be made to motivate more people to do that and i think that a small incrase to merits would be justified.
i love people with many words yet nothing to say. a real contribution to the discussion and to the society. thank you for your participation.
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No, thats not what i said at all.
Good pilots die less than bad ones, its that simple. Don't read into it too much.
Bad at PvP = die a lot
Good at PvP - die less
Yesterday was my first day back in 18 months and an open only thread was a great relief to me how little the forums at least change. My 2 cents are if solo's and groups don't want to play in open they shouldn't be forced to. Before I left though, there was talk about adding an open multiplier to PP activities though. Seems like that didn't take. I would have supported something like that. Oh well.
Don't give a crab to pew-pew = die never.
Proven with my 700+ hours and only 1 death on first Covert Theft mission.
I've gone through the most common live streams and most watched historical videos and cannot find it.
I know I linked it in one of the SOG mega threads, but even I don't have the resolve to wade through that many posts (not sober anyway)
I did try the advanced search feature here, but I just got several pages of my Wall of Information post (yikes I've had to repost that a lot).
That being said, I did find a newer interview with him where he made the remark about bumping into some folks at Merope.
So it looks like once it stopped being fun for certain people to hunt him down, he swapped back to Open Mode.
If I happen upon the interview I mentioned before, I'll be sure to keep a copy of the link and send it to you.
If FD are to be believed, pushing more people into open wouldnt significantly change the experience.
Ok... so how does that relate to what i said?
Assume the "me" in my post is competent. Then what?
I see what you are saying and I am sure some of the times this is the case. However, just because that can be the case does not mean it's always the case. I can live with the occasional player being invisible due to the way the networking is resulting in them being given a different instance. What I can not tolerate is the fact that the game as it is now allows players to pick an option that guarantees they can affect the powerplay with no chance of human opposition. And many people who do pick such an option do exist as is evident by all the people in these forums passionately arguing that they should still be allowed to do so and effect powerplay at the same time. You will never stop everyone from finding ways around it by messing around by the network but there will always be a contingent of those who cheat (for it would be cheating in the eyes of the game if fdev took steps to remove PG and solo PP and players went around that through out of game methods to maintain the advantage) but you can make it harder thus discouraging those who are not so desperate as to use such methods.
In summary: Just because people will still do X is not reason to not try and discourage people from doing X. The networking oddities just can't be helped at this time and thus I can accept that will happen when it's not deliberate and doesn't explain all cases of not coming across enemy players in open (as evidenced by defense of PG and solo play). Those who purposefully manipulate network conditions to get favorable instancing should be punish as any other form of cheater if and when PP contribution to a system is disabled for PG and solo.
This would be a compromise I would accept should PG and solo contributions not be completely disallowed in powerplay (and by that I mean they still earn merits but can't move the needle on systems till they come to open).
Only if said player actually had human interaction say opposition players ? Then there would be a bonus even a small one for the loser ?? But if no interaction then no bonus.
The caveats would have to be opposition actions ie attacked/ interdicted and not friends or squadron members ?
Then yes but I wouldn't give a bonus out just for playing in open.
The caveats would have to be opposition actions ie attacked/ interdicted and not friends or squadron members ?
Then yes but I wouldn't give a bonus out just for playing in open.
Thank you for looking, not to worry! Should you happen to stumble across it at any point in the future; I'd be grateful, but please don't go out of your way to hunt for it.
