I'd like to see articles, or anything that proves the existence of these so called bots. Otherwise I'm going to have to just ignore it as propaganda. Because, frankly, it's just the majority of players doing PP in solo or PG so they don't get interrupted doing their undermining and such. You're more than welcome to do the same to them, nobody is stopping you.
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Goose4291
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https://laveradio.com/tag/botting/
There was an extensive thread on this specific incident somewhere on the forums, but im having difficulty finding it.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Jesus mouse you are so nasty with this stuff. I dont get it.
Anyways Gooses link right above this shows a lot.
Man you should chill out.
Besides anytime someone does prove it to you. You denounce it and call people snarky names. Its old.
Really 90's? I ask you a question and the reply is to "chill out" and then you go after my character... all the while not answering my question just alluding to Goose.
Why should I "chill out" (wasn't even excited or frantic just curious) when all I did was ask how someone would be doing it... with all the trajectories, different pads, interdictions, different distances, etc. While pointing out that Elite Dangerous is a very hands on game. By pointing that out I am somehow frantic?
I asked for proof, as I see a lot of circumstantial "I think they are" and instead have you accusing me of calling people sarky names instead of showing me anything of proof. Remember you were the one who stated your group sent proof to Fdev. Yes Goose did post a discussion on the subject, but if there was actual proof and again it was turned in to FDev... what was done? part I am interested in is...
The most interesting part...
"In fact - thanks for getting me riled up and answering your question.
I was wondering where the bot fleet was redeployed since Sunday.
They weren't redeployed anywhere - they're still in Gateway, they're just not leaving the system, so they're not showing up as traffic.
How do I know?
- I don't.
- I'm guessing.
- It's circumstantial."
Unless you are sitting next to the person supposedly botting and observing them doing it, Are watching 3 cutters clustered together all doing the same thing at the same time repeatedly (as I have observed in other games such as Rift, Wow, And FFXIV and had confirmation from the GM's after reporting suspected botting), or FDev puts out a report from all the information you and others have given them and say "Yes there were bots and we have or are dealing with them". (If that is out there I've not seen it yet but hey it could be.) You don't know, you are guessing, and it is circumstantial.
Now could someone be trying to, who knows. With as cheap as the game has gotten I wouldn't put it past someone to try. Yet again that is still conjecture because at the moment there is no actual proof.
Now are you going to actually discuss or just continue to go after me while claiming I am doing nefarious things?
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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We watched them come into open and combat log. The guy put the bots in open. We even uploaded video footage of it for them.
Listen mouse, these things exist.
Also, Playstyle has nothing to do with any of these things. Because this comes down to efficiency over playstyle. No one has to take any risks against each other. And because of that neither do the people botting. People bot to win or disrupt.
There is a game to be played here mouse. And its all out of wack because PVP holds no value, Losses hold no value.
PVPers take advantage of this because of the ship builds and time effectiveness.
Like it or not these are long standing problems that will eventually end up playing out where people are going to have to VS each other.
Powerplay for example is littered with them.
Enable real risk and reward against one another. And botting will fix itself, griefing will fix itself, even these forums and new players learning the game. Will understand and fix itself.
This game gives us too many options not to play certain parts of it.
You should be forced to play it. People skip engineering and use alt accounts for colonia. Since there is no player accountability those guys can continue to run alt accounts out there against each other.
Its an insult to the people that put in the time.
Thats not a beginner place by any stretch of the imagination. Thats where the real late game content is. They added engineers to it out there and no one needs it. Because again, no player accountability for fighting against one another. Too many options exist to "stop greifing". When its been legit gameplay this whole time.
So until they fix all that. Griefing continues, botting continues, the wrong people dying continues.
But I guess people are okay with that.
All to protect a "playstyle".(this is an excuse btw)
What a shame.
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Fortunately Powerplay is an Opt-in activity, so having Powerplay be Open Only won’t force it on anyone and will actually provide a PvP outlet, which is what Sandro mentioned was the original intention during his focused feedback thread.
Its only a dead horse issue to those that dont want it and prefer to stay in solo or pg.
I don't play in either.
Clearly you understand nothing.
There has always been ways to defend, if you actually play the game or read any BGS / PP information you'll understand how it works.
And people higher than Sandro said otherwise.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Information?p=6810004&viewfull=1#post6810004
I wasn't talking about PP.
Maybe off topic a wee bit, but isn't "PRIVATE" the same as open, without all the extra humans. I mean I have a "PRIVATE" game set up, and just like in open, any and all humans I allow can be seen and reacted upon or with, just as one can do in open.
I don't care one way or another really, but when not if, PP goes open only, would private groups like mine and other's still qualify as being in open?
I don't care one way or another really, but when not if, PP goes open only, would private groups like mine and other's still qualify as being in open?
I used to think that open only powerplay was cheating solo and group players out of game features they paid for. After my one of my home systems was recently targeted, i have changed my mind.
PP and bgs need to be open only, otherwise there is no defense against bots for those playing the game with a sense of fair play.
Love the vid OP
”Open Only” is not in any way a panacea for the “problem of bots.” If a player is already cheating, there is nothing preventing them from cheating some more by the various methods available to them to convince the matchmaker not to instance them with anyone, including but not necessarily limited to: virtual private networks, dial up modems, using a firewall, watching Netflix, or signing up with a cruddy ISP.
No, you're just trolling and being insulting for the sake of it.
Well others seem to have a similar opinion and the numbers to back it up and you are just another internet troll whose sole positive purpose in venues like this is to keep the discussion moving with lies, provocation and misinformation.
So i will take my opinion and that of others whose opinion i respect, over yours.
"opinions" are not facts nor are they proof of anything. And you have no "numbers" to back anything.
The only people who have any actual evidence or numbers of anything is Frontier.
So claiming subjective opinions and skewed player collected data is anything more than hogwash, is being dishonest to yourself and others.
I'm so glad when I worked in the legal system we had higher standards for evidence collection, because what people call facts around here is disgusting.
^ This
Open Only is in no way a perfect solution to any of the games quirks.
In order for OO to be the pancea some feel it will be the mechanics of the game would need to be changed significantly first.
All OO could accomplish is to create more targets of opportunity, if you are in the bubble or a hot spot and not at all times.
The issue with that is not every opportunity will further your BGS/PP objectives and can actually have the opposite effect.
As for your claim of the guy botting and your video sent of to Fdev... what was said by Fdev? Was any action taken, again did Fdev confirm there was actual botting or just someone combat logging every time you all interdicted them? Until Fdev confirms it than it remains nothing more than a possibility... there is no certainty only assumption. And Again I would love to know, if someone really is botting, how they are doing it and getting around the telemetries, different landing pads, and all the other things that make Elite Dangerous a very hands on game.
I am sorry but the whole premise of your argument is flawed. The game does not come down to efficiency over playstyle and it never has... a few like you get hung up on efficiency so much that you miss enjoying the game. Yes there are parts where efficiency helps, but if it was the main focus of the game the game would be structured a lot differently. I will agree The game isn't out of wack, yes PVP holds no value, but do you know why? Because FDev left it up to you and everyone playing to assign value to it. It wasn't an original part of the game, wasn't the basis of the game. And the value that many assigned to it was let's use it to harass other players. You can have hard core PVP, you can have Ironman, you can have a universe where everyone PVPs and are gunning for each other in super charged ships. YOU just have to make it happen. Create the PG for it, delete your character if doing ironman. Fdev left it up to you how to define PVP.
And manure on your "losses have no value", because that is a looooaaad of crap. They may not to you, but losses have value. Especially if you are someone who has lost a ship and cargo and now, because of goof you did, have to start over in a Sidy and go buy a lesser value ship then the one you lost. That happens in all three modes.
Powerplay there are VS a lot of times, but not everyone playing powerplay has to participate. They can continue to do their PowerPlay and never engage in PVP and that is just as fine as people Powerplaying and participating in PVP. Again... PowerPlay wasn't really designed around PVP, look how it functions. I believe PVP kills should give merits, maybe even 1 per kill, but after that kill that commander gives no merits for a day. Make it so it can't be abused. I could also see a cap on how many merits someone can earn in a system from NPCs in a day to limit farming. Though the idea would make it harder for a minor faction with a few people supporting it like the one I am in to fight off a larger # of players. It would stop a single player abusing the farming that I hear complaints about. Even if they had alt accounts.
You should NEVER be forced to play certain parts of the game, to even suggest that is ludicrous. People are allowed alt accounts... they bought them and want someone in the bubble and someone out in Colonia that is fine. And who cares if people skip the engineers? It is not an insult to people who "put in the time". Again by saying that you are looking at this from the angle of they are not playing like me and it is not fair.
And I again will disagree with you, Colonia very well could be a beginner place, a little harder perhaps, but still You could spend the time if you wanted to to fly a beginner Sidy to Colonia and start from there. And if someone did that... my hat's off to them because that is a LOOOONG flight. But hey people have gone to Beagle Point in Sidies I hear so it is doable.
I do like though how you are trying to legitimize griefing... as if it is anyone other than the person doing it is at fault for their own actions.
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