Open POI sharing system idea

I think the idea is to try to encourage people to keep it to Odyssey. Curators will have some power to disable POIs that violate the rules (still being worked out, mainly the idea being to keep POIs "on topic", in English, and avoid profanity, etc, the usual things). Otherwise it should mostly fall to the user ratings (voting) to encourage good POIs. So it may depend a lot on the "will of the people". ;)
 
Work-in-progress screenshot: (FYI, it's just using sample data at the moment. We're not planning to do a massive auto-import from GMP or anything like that. This will start from scratch with new submissions).

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I'm sure some CMDR's of the ongoing (BNE) Banana Nebula Expedition would appreciate this. The one issue I have in general with the community of 3p services is all the different sites, login's, services and plugins. From an eploration PG and 3p UX perspective, it's hard to on-board new explorers. Having explored in ED since 2016, I didn't hear of GMP until now and was only vaguely aware of a POI reporting service. With lack of time I never figured out how to add POI's. Maybe this sad news could be turned around to revitalize the community and bring some focus to the 3p tool set. I think a push to align the 3p sites, services and tools could go a long way towards this. A re-imagined POI creator/editor where data can be pulled/pushed to other 3p gal maps could be just the catalyst. Or maybe turning this on it's head would be the right thing to do. I.e. Have all the 3p developers come together to focus on a single site, set of services all supported by one plugin. Well, those are just my thoughts. Whatever you guys come up with I've always been impressed by your dedication and spirit in the community. I look forward to seeing where this goes. o9
 
Its looking good Orvidius. I like that interface, very modern and intuitive! :cool:

I've linked this project from the GMP/Historical Archive thread, and will direct any POI submission enquiries we get from now on, to this one.

Awesome, thanks! We'll eventually get a thread going for this specific project, but at the moment we don't have that yet. We just started our beta phase yesterday (closed, limited beta) and hope to go wider with it soon.
 
I like the idea. More openness and automation should be good, while it would still retain a manually curated selection of POIs, without making it a walled garden. Automation helps lessen the manual workload, openness helps avoid confusion and rumours. However, curating is a good idea, don't get me wrong: a high volume of "hey here's my first ELW that I discovered around an F star" wouldn't be terribly interesting for other explorers. What's more, curators could help offer comments and such to the submitter, so that they could make their POI submissions even better.

So, making a new system that adds a new approach (voting) alongside the old one (curating) as well? I very much like it.

Also, moving submissions away from forum posts would be even better. Maybe it worked years ago, but times have changed, this subforum's activity has dropped significantly: I'm hanging out on a number of Discords, and the various exploration communities are more active. Fora were always just one among many communities, even though this one here is an official forum: by now, it's just easier to share images and such elsewhere.
I agree with this. Forums are a thing of the past, which is the likely reason there is less traffic here and most people (including myself) don't visit them. I didn't even know that a person had to come here to add new submissions to the mapping project. I would have done that ages ago if I knew. With so many fantastic ED resources out there, I find it quite surprising that something as limited as the Forums would be the entry point for this information.
 
I agree with this. Forums are a thing of the past, which is the likely reason there is less traffic here and most people (including myself) don't visit them. I didn't even know that a person had to come here to add new submissions to the mapping project. I would have done that ages ago if I knew. With so many fantastic ED resources out there, I find it quite surprising that something as limited as the Forums would be the entry point for this information.

Well the GMP pre-dates all those ED resources. None of them existed when the GMP was founded, not even EDSM which now hosts it - that only came about a year after the project began. If you know your history, you'll know the project was the first of its kind, and was created with inclusiveness in mind (as in not requiring people having to sign up to third party apps to use it, they didn't exist in any case).

The fact that the gmp thread has had over 1 million views, making it one of the highest visited threads on the entire Elite Dangerous forums, is testament at how popular its been and how well the original forum based concept worked. Granted, these days the route would be to take it off the forums as they aren't as active as they once were, but that doesn't invalidate how the original project worked, and flourished.

I'm not a fan of signing up to third party apps. so I doubt I'll use the new system, I'm sure casual players who feel the same will give it a miss too, but I'm hopeful it'll be a success in any case. Its great to see these kinds of initiatives being kept alive and reborn :)
 
Well the GMP pre-dates all those ED resources. None of them existed when the GMP was founded, not even EDSM which now hosts it - that only came about a year after the project began. If you know your history, you'll know the project was the first of its kind, and was created with inclusiveness in mind (as in not requiring people having to sign up to third party apps to use it, they didn't exist in any case).

The fact that the gmp thread has had over 1 million views, making it one of the highest visited threads on the entire Elite Dangerous forums, is testament at how popular its been and how well the original forum based concept worked. Granted, these days the route would be to take it off the forums as they aren't as active as they once were, but that doesn't invalidate how the original project worked, and flourished.

I'm not a fan of signing up to third party apps. so I doubt I'll use the new system, I'm sure casual players who feel the same will give it a miss too, but I'm hopeful it'll be a success in any case. Its great to see these kinds of initiatives being kept alive and reborn :)

It's just really another website, like the forum. You don't really need a third party for it, just a new account and done! But we will also have a Forum thread for GEC, so it shouldn't be a problem.
 
Well the GMP pre-dates all those ED resources. None of them existed when the GMP was founded, not even EDSM which now hosts it - that only came about a year after the project began. If you know your history, you'll know the project was the first of its kind, and was created with inclusiveness in mind (as in not requiring people having to sign up to third party apps to use it, they didn't exist in any case).

The fact that the gmp thread has had over 1 million views, making it one of the highest visited threads on the entire Elite Dangerous forums, is testament at how popular its been and how well the original forum based concept worked. Granted, these days the route would be to take it off the forums as they aren't as active as they once were, but that doesn't invalidate how the original project worked, and flourished.

I'm not a fan of signing up to third party apps. so I doubt I'll use the new system, I'm sure casual players who feel the same will give it a miss too, but I'm hopeful it'll be a success in any case. Its great to see these kinds of initiatives being kept alive and reborn :)
This is how I remember it too. It was created when the only thing that existed as a medium to submit things to was the forums themselves, which at that time were actually a great source of info, exploration guides, travel blogs, maps, rumors etc. I don't think discord even existed when the galaxy mapping started lol.
 
I think 3rd party apps and external websites is absolutely the way to go now with any community-based initiative. For one thing, as people have mentioned, these forums are not what they once were. When the GMP began the forums were the only place where explorers shared their adventures, discoveries and travel blogs. There wasn't any API plug-ins, no apps, and as mentioned, no EDSM when the mapping project began.

In fact the GMP was a very crude and grassroots kind of thing, meant for a very niche crowd of avid explorers back in the early days of Elite. The original maps themselves were simple screenshots of the in game map with POI markers hand painted onto them! (some are still archived on the GMP thread somewhere). Very quaint stuff. :D

About a year later Corbin Moran created the high-definition galaxy map that everyone uses today, and shortly after EDSM came along and offered to host the project, and it flourished. But like Distant Worlds, no one had any idea it'd grow into what it became.

Inclusiveness as far as usage goes was very much what I wanted for the GMP from day one though. So it was always going to be forum based, even when EDSM came along. You didn't need an EDSM account to submit stuff to the GMP for example. I adopted the same policy with DW1 too. No third party website for that, or off forum registration process required, and it worked because it became the largest in game event of its kind at that time - probably because these forums generated massive amounts of traffic at the time and its where the majority of player hung out (something the GMP had tapped into a year earlier). DW2 was different, we had a website for that, and a rudimentary google doc application form for sign-ups, purely because all indications early on were it was going to dwarf DW1, and it did. But the actual expedition outline, WPs writeups, and news updates all remained forum based. And it worked.

But as I mentioned, today I think using all the 3rd party resources people have since set up, and discords etc, is definitely they way to go. People are massively used to them now, and they're perfectly tailored for this kind of stuff.

I really like the way GEC is going about it. Its modern, its easy to use, and its exactly what was needed to reinvigorate and bring fresh ideas and eyes to a project that is/was becoming a relic of the past (imo). (y)
 
I really like the way GEC is going about it. Its modern, its easy to use, and its exactly what was needed to reinvigorate and bring fresh ideas and eyes to a project that is/was becoming a relic of the past (imo). (y)
GEC news is good news.
As a relic of the past, the GMP is one of those that are worth cherishing and preserving, so maintenance mode instead of complete disappearance is good news too. :)
 
GEC news is good news.
As a relic of the past, the GMP is one of those that are worth cherishing and preserving, so maintenance mode instead of complete disappearance is good news too. :)

Agreed. The GMP will become a library of historic events in a way, hopefully it'll stay around as long as the game does. Being able to look back through the archives from time to time is a nice thing to have, but I'm also looking forward to see what new discoveries are being made and added to the new project moving forward :)
 
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