Operation Enigma, breaking the code!

[Genar-Hofoen]

In the end, we both share the same galaxy in the strictest sense, which is the point I'm making.

The Code and Mobius see to enjoy the game differently, however, intrinsically they are both player groups (I interpret Mobius' principle and the way of advertisement to be akin to a player group, thus I placed it under the category). We have different ideals, but since we both occupy the same galaxy in the strictest sense, I don't see why mutual respect cannot be established.

Going by your logic, that's like saying every individual player in Solo is also a member of a player group - albeit quite a fragmented player group with little to no coordination.

I still maintain that your interpretation of Mobius, is grossly inaccurate at the very least.

In fact Mobius is one person - CMDR Mobius.

Other players just happened to join a private group mode he set up. He just tells other players about that particular private group mode, and it just so happened that other players decided to play in that private group mode, and it caught on. There is no mass coordination of players - we don't see CMDR Mobius leading teams of players en masse towards some goal. There are merely some basic rules set for players wishing to play in his private group mode.

To reiterate - your group is completely different, in that every player in the game could potentially join you in Open, depending on presumably how much scum and villainy you think they are capable of achieveing

Yours is a completely different type of group.

 

[GluttonyFang]

It's not good will. It's your own RP within an RP but that's a different convo.

Im just saying the best PR for code right now is silence.

I agree to an extent.

 

[Herik]

For any EvE player watching the Hutton event unfold, and I mean any EvE player, it's not just the same as watching lightning strike twice in the same place. It's like watching Lightning strike the same slot machine twice, causing it to spin triple 7's twice, and pay out the same jackpot down to the last chip twice.

Uncanny fails to describe it if it is a coincidence. Hell, even the grammar used by some of your members in the descriptions of what they did is identical to some of the posts I've read on the EvE forums doing the same thing: Explaining why there was no issue with what C.O.D.E. did and nothing wrong was done, how it was actually the fault of the PvE players for asking for game mechanics that can be exploited and for not preparing for conflict, and then telling them that it could have all been avoided by doing things those players have no desire to nor will ever do.

Your members are even seasoned practicioners of C.O.D.E's propaganda.

Yup it has always been clear in my mind, and easily the same interpretation....

 

[GluttonyFang]

Fold

I think this is just a difference in interpretation.

We don't see the two groups being intrinsically different. Both groups have rules and parameters they operate under that they reinforce. Both advertise recruitment.

But again, like I said, at this point it's a difference in interpretation.

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Yup it has always been clear in my mind, and easily the same interpretation....

I have replied to the issue already.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So let me see if I have this right. Your members infiltrated Möbius and had some pew pew lulz, just to show those PVE guys who is the boss and that nobody is safe from the might of Code.

Now minor factions are coming up, and the Code's minor faction is a sitting duck for the PVE might of Möbius to crush into utter insignificance. Now it's all hands to repair relations stations. Of course, if certain individuals had not engaged in naughty behaviour in the first place, this would be a complete non-issue.

I'm struggling to find an analogy.

Mobius as a wing of 4 Anacondas interdicting CODE as a T6 seems appropriate somehow.

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

I also read about EvE players' commentary on the Hutton situation. It is understandable why they are very disdainful toward this community for the differences between the community of the two games. As a lot of members of the community have express here, they don't like the EvE community. Thus I find it logical that EvE players are calling this community out for being "carebears," "casuals," "whiners."

I don't endorse the disdain from the EvE players, but it makes sense for them to react and contemplate the way they did.

If there is truly convincing resemblance between EvE players and us, then we wouldn't spend extensive time in altering the way we do things and commit time to listen to the community's feedback.

EvE players call any community that isn't Their specific social group within EvE's complex sociopolitical territory carebears, casuals, whiners, etc... let alone any group of players outside of EvE. Nothing special there. And in case you didn't notice, the same thing happens here in Elite: Dangerous' own community.

Listening to the community's feedback is a nice way of saying you're finding new ways to keep doing the same things without risking being banned or shadow-banned. Eve C.O.D.E. members were always willing to listen to the crying too, it's their primary source of intel, and entertainment.

C.O.D.E. members in Eve denied being involved in any way with the Goonswarm for years until there was just so much overwhelming evidence that they decided to stop sounding like a bunch of fools trying to countermand it at every turn.

None of this is new to those of us who have prior experience. Not a single thing.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

None of this is new to those of us who have prior experience. Not a single thing.

Well, it's new to me and I must say I find the botched up verbal acrobatics delicious. Especially the talk of "goodwill", can't get enough of it

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Well, it's new to me and I must say I find the botched up verbal acrobatics delicious. Especially the talk of "goodwill", can't get enough of it

It's fascinating, isn't it. Like watching a slow-motion trainwreck that the 'logic' being employed here is

 

[GluttonyFang]

EvE players call any community that isn't Their specific social group within EvE's complex sociopolitical territory carebears, casuals, whiners, etc... let alone any group of players outside of EvE. Nothing special there. And in case you didn't notice, the same thing happens here in Elite: Dangerous' own community.

Listening to the community's feedback is a nice way of saying you're finding new ways to keep doing the same things without risking being banned or shadow-banned. Eve C.O.D.E. members were always willing to listen to the crying too, it's their primary source of intel, and entertainment.

C.O.D.E. members in Eve denied being involved in any way with the Goonswarm for years until there was just so much overwhelming evidence that they decided to stop sounding like a bunch of fools trying to countermand it at every turn.

None of this is new to those of us who have prior experience. Not a single thing.

I believe at this point you are becoming unreasonable. Don't take this as a personal insult, but that this level of accusation/speculation is beyond me. The only thing I can say is that we are aware of our action and affiliation better than anyone outside of the group, and I am informing the community that as an official representative of the Code, that we are not related to any EvE group. People can speculate however they wish, but our response remains the same, we are not related to any EvE group.

Think about it, if we really wanted to avoid association with the C.O.D.E. from EvE, we would just use a different name in disguise. We don't, because we know we are not related to the C.O.D.E. in EvE and another our representative, S7 just recently clarified the issue, as well.

You may speculate however you wish, that is your personal freedom, so forgive me if I find this conversation becoming unfruitful and that I find no interest nor productivity in continuing this particular conversation.

 

[Dave1235]

As an update, we currently have a super majority on outlawing mode invasion completely. This is defined as gaining trust of a group in the group mode and intentionally doing so only to enter and break the stipulated rules of said group. It is an immediate termination if we catch our members committing said act. <snip>

Thank you.

You didn't answer the hunting them down bit , although I reckon that goes without saying if they cause you another PR headache like this one .

 

[nexxo]

As an update, we currently have a super majority on outlawing mode invasion completely. This is defined as gaining trust of a group in the group mode and intentionally doing so only to enter and break the stipulated rules of said group. It is an immediate termination if we catch our members committing said act.

Looking good so far...

As a side note, some of our members wish to express that they are agreeing to the matter with hope that Mobius will only undermine our future minor faction in Open. I personally prefer that this is realized, as well. However, due to the inability to enforce such a promise, we hope to see some expression of good will from Mobius, at the very least.

...and here is where it all slides downhill again. What did I say before about sucking it up gracefully? You acknowledged the wrongdoing, you promised not to do it again. Good stuff. But now you're asking for quid pro quo (seeing as we're doing Latin) in a situation where your side was the one taking liberties in the first place.

Seriously, don't do that. You're the ones making amends here. Right now is not the time to make demands in turn.

 

[YoBuck]

Looking good so far...



...and here is where it all slides downhill again. What did I say before about sucking it up gracefully? You acknowledged the wrongdoing, you promised not to do it again. Good stuff. But now you're asking for quid pro quo (seeing as we're doing Latin) in a situation where your side was the one taking liberties in the first place.

Seriously, don't do that. You're the ones making amends here. Right now is not the time to make demands in turn.

to be fair, being a pirate myself. Demands are ingrained in our physical being

 

[GluttonyFang]

Thank you.

You didn't answer the hunting them down bit , although I reckon that goes without saying if they cause you another PR headache like this one .

Hahaha

 

[Dave1235]

I'm in Mobius group. Have never shot at another player when in Mobius because I know the rules of that group. Also, most of the time I don't see another player in there and when I do I treat it like a "holy cow!" black swan event - it's that rare. And I send out a friend request to them as well.

Cool, you a cordially invited to the first undermining party (date tba), will give you a chance to add some more friends to your list

 

[GluttonyFang]

...and here is where it all slides downhill again. What did I say before about sucking it up gracefully? You acknowledged the wrongdoing, you promised not to do it again. Good stuff. But now you're asking for quid pro quo (seeing as we're doing Latin) in a situation where your side was the one taking liberties in the first place.

Seriously, don't do that. You're the ones making amends here. Right now is not the time to make demands in turn.

Like I explained earlier, it's our members that wish I express their concern on their behalf and I explained the situation. I don't find their request unreasonable for reasons I also explained.

 

[Vandaahl]

You are free to interpret as you wish, however I wish to emphasize that we have stated and do stand by that we are not related to any EvE player groups.

Principle of equivalence. If you can't distinguish the 2, they are the same thing. Related or not.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It's fascinating, isn't it. Like watching a slow-motion trainwreck that the 'logic' being employed here is

It seems the show is over. We're in: "I've said all I wanted to say about it" country now.

A very recognizable tactic in debating, which I have seen many times, and always means the same thing

 

[nexxo]

Like I explained earlier, it's our members that wish I express their concern on their behalf and I explained the situation. I don't find their request unreasonable for reasons I also explained.

That doesn't matter. In PR it's all about what the public thinks, not what you think. You have to meet the public where they are, and then gradually move them to where you want them to meet you. You acknowledge their views to demonstrate you've listened, make amends where possible and when everybody feels in a cooperative mood again then you make your requests. You're quite some time away from that moment yet.

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

Principle of equivalence. If you can't distinguish the 2, they are the same thing. Related or not.

In my left hand I hold something roundish, red and firm. Inside the meat is white, the seeds at the core are dark brown and the overall contents are sweet and crispy that produces a delightful wet crunch when bitten into. Prior experience tells me this is an Apple.

In my right hand I hold something roundish, red and firm. Inside the meat is white, the seeds at the core are dark brown and the overall contents are sweet and crispy that produces a delightful wet crunch when bitten into. However when I declare that the item in my right hand is an Apple it pipes up: "No no! I'm not an apple, I swear I'm a prune!"

Do I trust my instincts and knowledge to disseminate the readily available evidence and draw a conclusion, or do I listen to the talking prune and reject reality?

 

[nexxo]

OK, I'm hungry now.