Operation Enigma, breaking the code!

[GluttonyFang]

YOU, personally, were not aware when you created a thread in the player groups forum to start up a pirate group. Many of your members are clearly, painfully aware of the other group's existence.

Suicide squads are used in EvE because it is a legitimate tactic for what they do, not because of some malignant purpose. No one has been extorted in Real Life through EvE Online without immediately facing criminal charges, CCP actively and fervently hunts down extortionists on their own and presses their own charges, with or without the player's direct complaint. They track all of the financial side of EvE online down to the last hundredth of an isk and link it to every real person.

CCP does not, under any circumstances, tolerate any intrusion of in-game activities on a person's real life. They get deadly serious about that crap and punish anyone who commits such acts to the fullest extent of the law in whatever country they live.

I am not the Captain of The Code, I did not create our syndicate. However, I can confirm that the founding members had no idea that "C.O.D.E." existed until people on the FD forum began to question us.

Members that joined us later on might have knowledge about the C.O.D.E., but they are made aware that we do not endorse their action nor mimic them.

 

[Unfluffydave]

We were not aware that the name Code is also used by players in EvE.

We act far differently than the C.O.D.E. in EvE. We do not launch suicide squads to kill off players and attempt real life extortion nor endorse grieving. We do not sound like them, either, since I don't believe my behavior (representing The Code) on the forum have resembled anything like theirs.

YOU might not sound like them but after all you are just the PR guy. The actions of your own members both in game and on the forums paint a different picture, one which cannot be ignored no matter how much PR oil you pour on it. As you know how CODE act in EvE and claim to not be like them you should be controlling your members to not act like them which by the looks of some of the posts on your own forums is clearly not happening, I quote one of your own people (with editing of swearing) :"Another f---ing 'Tiny Tear' bleating on about how hard done by he was by The Code".

That is exactly how CODE talk in EvE and how you are perceived in ED. Sort your members out and players might start to tell the difference between you and them.

 

[GluttonyFang]

YOU might not sound like them but after all you are just the PR guy. The actions of your own members both in game and on the forums paint a different picture, one which cannot be ignored no matter how much PR oil you pour on it. As you know how CODE act in EvE and claim to not be like them you should be controlling your members to not act like them which by the looks of some of the posts on your own forums is clearly not happening, I quote one of your own people (with editing of swearing) :"Another f---ing 'Tiny Tear' bleating on about how hard done by he was by The Code".

That is exactly how CODE talk in EvE and how you are perceived in ED. Sort your members out and players might start to tell the difference between you and them.

Excuse me, but I handle the PR department, complaint desk, partially responsible for recruitment, substitute ambassador for several occasions, web administrator, the one who recently drafted the Constitution for the Code which is currently under amendment, and hold the rank of "Boss" in The Code, which is a position only one rank below the Captain in our hierarchy. Considering my activeness and contribution to The Code, what I say and do in the group makes more difference than those ranked below me, and even some of those ranked the same as me. I coordinate Archon Delaine's Power Play community since cycle two, I was the one that even got Archon Delaine up and running to begin with and also handle diplomatic duties there. I'm a moderator on reddit for a closed group that constitutes the core of the Kumo Crew. You can also find my name in Galnet.

So no, I'm not just a PR guy, I am a prominent figure in this community and more importantly, an important character in The Code.

As for your quote, I believe it's venting of frustration. We are people too, some of us are more easily irritated than others and some have very short temper. They are free to express themselves as long as they follow the code. I'm not going to tell my crew what kind of a personality they should have but rather expect consequences of their action and be knowledgeable of the code, ignorance will not be an admissible excuse to avoid punishment.

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

I am not the Captain of The Code, I did not create our syndicate. However, I can confirm that the founding members had no idea that "C.O.D.E." existed until people on the FD forum began to question us.

Members that joined us later on might have knowledge about the C.O.D.E., but they are made aware that we do not endorse their action nor mimic them.

Yet you did exactly that, starting with game mechanic exploitation, filling it out with blame the victim posts and polishing it all off with public pandering and promises it won't happen again, then made a mug to commemorate the event.

Classic C.O.D.E. behavior.

 

[GluttonyFang]

Yet you did exactly that, starting with game mechanic exploitation, filling it out with blame the victim posts and polishing it all off with public pandering and promises it won't happen again, then made a mug to commemorate the event.

http://i.imgur.com/UD3sdRG.png

Classic C.O.D.E. behavior.

You can question our behavior but we consider the event an important milestone as an organization, a learning experience, to be specific.

I personally plan on ordering one of those mug, as well, to remember what happened at Hutton and the amount of hours I poured into PR.

 

[Asp Explorer]

So no, I'm not just a PR guy, I am a prominent figure in this community and more important, an important character in The Code.

While I like you Gluttony - that comes across as being just a bit much. Nobody is more important than anybody else, especially in a spaceship game. You'd all have a riotous laugh and deride me if I said I was An Important Person Because I Lead* Drunks Of Sol. Who is to say that is more or less important?

And how many Bosses do you have? A cursory glance shows there's more than just you. Why so many bosses?

 

[GluttonyFang]

While I like you Gluttony - that comes across as being just a bit much. Nobody is more important than anybody else, especially in a spaceship game. You'd all have a riotous laugh and deride me if I said I was An Important Person Because I Lead Drunks Of Sol. Who is to say that is more or less important?

And how many Bosses do you have? A cursory glance shows there's more than just you. Why so many bosses?

I used the word "prominent" in the sense that I am active and stick out, in the community. I suppose people might interpret it as my arrogance, but I wish to clarify that I sincerely believe every member of the community is equal, but I feel that I needed to display my credibility, since I was being dismissed by the individual I replied to.

Some bosses are not active due to various reasons, there are approximately less than 10 bosses in total and 5 are considered active in duty. We do revoke bosses of their rank depending on the length of their inactivity.

 

[Mouse]

Allow me to clarify, I understand the condition of a veteran. However, using the status of veteran and what it entails as a legitimate argument that we should listen to them more in a video game does not seem like a very strong argument, to me. I take the words of veterans more seriously regardless of the environment, real life or video game, but that is my personal choice and I have respect of military-affiliated personnel, however, in a relatively-objective sense, it is not a strong argument in a video game.

Of course this is my personal opinion, as always.

Sadly video games can trigger issues.. I didn't believe it at first until my friends got me to get Battlefield 2 Bad Company, we played a few matches and then they say I suddenly freaked out.. they called an ambulance and I spent 2 days in observation at the VA. All I remember was horrid nightmares of watching my friends get killed then burying them. So.. if I play a game that has a PVP element in it I am very careful about it. I cannot control others but I can let them know I have issues and please no do that.. .some are like the punk.. which is why I went to Mobius.. if Mobius wasn't there I'd be in solo as there is no PVE mode (which I advocate for one). I used to love PVP.. doom, quake, Unreal Tournament, but not anymore now I am strictly PVE and I will stand up for others who are forced into unwanted PVP.

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

You can question our behavior but we consider the event an important milestone as an organization, a learning experience, to be specific.

I personally plan on ordering one of those mug, as well, to remember what happened at Hutton and the amount of hours I poured into PR.

Thanks for wrapping up everything I've said up til now in a nice pretty bow.

 

[GluttonyFang]

Thanks for wrapping up everything I've said up til now in a nice pretty bow.

You are entitled to your opinion.

 

[Mobius]

Lets just clear things up, the Mobius pve group is an environment for players to play a cooperative game against the environment, the admins of our group do not tell its members
that they should undermine powerplay faction X or attack player faction Z, Everyone who plays in the Mobius PvE group does so to play against the environment.

We have thousands of players from hundreds of other groups that also play within our group and as such we have no control over these groups and their goals,
as long as they do not break our basic rule when playing in the group they are free to change the environment.

Regarding player factions
Like code we have our own player faction for its members to support if they wish and we fully expect pvp groups to undermine our player faction because of what it stands for.
But we will not be creating a witch hunt mentality towards any single groups player faction, im sure that the code player faction is far enough away from ours that our two groups can avoid each other, saying that im sure that we have members in our group performing a pirate role that would be supporting Codes player faction.

As a PvE group we cannot endorse or disapprove of what other groups get upto when it comes to playing against the environment,
as Anti PvE players often say, “the game is called elite dangerous for a reason” and with that you reap what you sow when dealing with a player faction.


Regarding Code entering the Mobius Pve group.
When Code entered our group to grief then brag about it on these forums, it was done before they updated their policy, we haven’t had any issues since then. Yet we don’t expect an official apology as their group was still young at the time and they was attempting to make a name for themselves. Code have not caused trouble within our group since and I applaud them for that.


Mobius

 

[GluttonyFang]

Lets just clear things up, the Mobius pve group is an environment for players to play a cooperative game against the environment, the admins of our group do not tell its members
that they should undermine powerplay faction X or attack player faction Z, Everyone who plays in the Mobius PvE group does so to play against the environment.

We have thousands of players from hundreds of other groups that also play within our group and as such we have no control over these groups and their goals,
as long as they do not break our basic rule when playing in the group they are free to change the environment.

Regarding player factions
Like code we have our own player faction for its members to support if they wish and we fully expect pvp groups to undermine our player faction because of what it stands for.
But we will not be creating a witch hunt mentality towards any single groups player faction, im sure that the code player faction is far enough away from ours that our two groups can avoid each other, saying that im sure that we have members in our group performing a pirate role that would be supporting Codes player faction.

As a PvE group we cannot endorse or disapprove of what other groups get upto when it comes to playing against the environment,
as Anti PvE players often say, “the game is called elite dangerous for a reason” and with that you reap what you sow when dealing with a player faction.


Regarding Code entering the Mobius Pve group.
When Code entered our group to grief then brag about it on these forums, it was done before they updated their policy, we haven’t had any issues since then. Yet we don’t expect an official apology as their group was still young at the time and they was attempting to make a name for themselves. Code have not caused trouble within our group since and I applaud them for that.


Mobius

Your response is appreciated.

 

[Mikalus]

I used the word "prominent" in the sense that I am active and stick out, in the community. I suppose people might interpret it as my arrogance, but I wish to clarify that I sincerely believe every member of the community is equal, but I feel that I needed to display my credibility, since I was being dismissed by the individual I replied to.

Some bosses are not active due to various reasons, there are approximately less than 10 bosses in total and 5 are considered active in duty. We do revoke bosses of their rank depending on the length of their inactivity.

I can assert that in my multiple interactions with Fang he's never come across as thinking himself better than someone else - in fact I would say that one very strong tenant of his philosophical approach to life seems to be a preference for equality of voices.

 

[GluttonyFang]

I can assert that in my multiple interactions with Fang he's never come across as thinking himself better than someone else - in fact I would say that one very strong tenant of his philosophical approach to life seems to be a preference for equality of voices.

Much appreciated!

 

[withnail]

I think The Code add to the community. I like it that there is a colourful alternative to the usual gameplay we see from day to day.

I reckon I could get past one of their blockades. If I can get past a bunch of Imperials blockading Harma in my T7, I can get past them too......

 

[GluttonyFang]

I think The Code add to the community. I like it that there is a colourful alternative to the usual gameplay we see from day to day.

I reckon I could get past one of their blockades too. If I can get past a bunch of Imperials blockading Harma in my T7, I can get past them too......

We look forward to seeing you!

 

[withnail]

Heh, if we are ok with fortification on Wednesday I will give it a go. That's if the CG is still going, that is.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Can we all be happy Frenemies now?

Good!

 

[Mikalus]

Heh, if we are ok with fortification on Wednesday I will give it a go. That's if the CG is still going, that is.

Maybe I'll join you. Should be fun.

 

[lysan]

Jeez. Aggressive or what?

Not you or me Thank God. Nor the DDF members, or anyone else that has had what they think is a 'good idea' on how to make the game.

Don't you like the design? It allows players to do what the game is to let them do - play it their way. If you don't like 'their' way, do what I do - play in another part of the vast galaxy.

Well, stepping aside for a bit and looking at it as neutral as possible, I believe that the current design (32 player instance and P2P) was due to finances constrains.
FD needed a system where they could build the game fast and on a budget. However when you're on a budget you need to cut corners and that is what happened.

The success of the game came with more funding and drawbacks. How to overcome the drawbacks and expand the experience for the players will be a tough challenge for sure.

Dedicated servers should be able to bring up the players to 100 - 150 in one instance. Dedicated servers also come with other positive benefits, the drawback here are the cost of running them.