(Opinion) Fdev has messed up exploration

Rock-Hermit

Rock-Hermit
dxm55 said:
LOL. That's why I don't bother going far out of the bubble.

All those pretend explorer types talking about marveling at the beauty of the Elite galaxy. ROFLMAO.
I've done 250Lys, then 500Lys, then 1000+ Lys and stuff all looks the same.

Seriously I think the so-called explorers in this game are content just to watch paint dry. It must be so exciting for them. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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Wow you've been 1000 LYs from the bubble. Go you!

As for pretending to "marveling" at the galaxy, maybe you're just not very good at this exploration lark because DW2 visited some stunning locations ;)

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Micha

Micha
Muetdhiver said:
I think that FDev messed up since day1 with exploration.
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So much this. While there should never be an "instant" or "definite" death" situation, there should definitely be more danger.

And I too, strongly lament the ease with which the galaxy can be travelled; it's completely trivialised it and takes away any sort of illusion that the edges of the Bubble are a frontier. In fact it beggars belief that there aren't human outposts pretty much everywhere by now. While the vast majority would continue living in the Bubble, there'd be a very large component of the population that would seek to start a new, better life elsewhere.

Having made travel difficult would have allowed FDev the opportunity to properly place content without the silly permit locking we have now. As well as being able to guide the Community to discoveries since, by design, exploration would be very slow. Especially if ships would deteriorate with time there'd be no way for a single ship to push further out without additional support (eg, supporting megaships, or Community Goals to build Science Outposts, or even player-run resupply convoys). This would have naturally forced exploration into only limited directions which FDev could then easily influence to either avoid players stumbling across new content too early, or to guide players towards new content.

But as you said, this particular ship sailed on release. Nay, in beta already.
 

dxm55

Banned
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Rock-Hermit said:
Wow you've been 1000 LYs from the bubble. Go you!

As for pretending to "marveling" at the galaxy, maybe you're just not very good at this exploration lark because DW2 visited some stunning locations ;)

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Well that wasn't the point. I could have gone further out.
But things all look the same. And worse, there's no NPC traffic, or stations or whatever, after awhile.
So why even bother for MOTS out there?

Except for the Prof Palin 5000 LY grind. No other reason actually.

Some places are prob nice. I've seen pics of the Brain Trees.
But that's the destination. 99% is the journey. And that 99% is MOTS and oh so boring.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
dxm55 said:
Well that wasn't the point. I could have gone further out.
But things all look the same. And worse, there's no NPC traffic, or stations or whatever, after awhile.
So why even bother for MOTS out there?

Except for the Prof Palin 5000 LY grind. No other reason actually.

Some places are prob nice. I've seen pics of the Brain Trees.
But that's the destination. 99% is the journey. And that 99% is MOTS and oh so boring.
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That's because you haven't travelled very far away.
 

IndigoWyrd

IndigoWyrd
Having traveled to the rim of the galaxy and working my way around, my experience has been quite different. I’ve found dozens of biological POI’s, several La grange clouds, and myriads of worlds in rainbows of colors - ice worlds with deep pink veins, HMC worlds that could pass as Earth-like, swirling gas giants with and without rings, water worlds ranging from nearly inky black to luminous shades of teal and pink.

Sure, I’d love more from my sensors and scanners, and even more things to find, but it’s been a long trip to get this far, so it will likely take a while longer to really flesh things out - I can wait.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
dxm55 said:
After a while, I turned back because there was no point.
Like I said. There may be interesting things out there, but the journey towards that bit, 99% is boring as heck.
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Travelling 1000 Ly doesn't take "a while", in any case, if you want to see changes fast then go to either above or below the bubble as much as you can, the view of the galaxy and the visible stars on the skybox will change drastically although the ceiling on either direction is about 2000 Ly assuming you can get there in the first place.
 

Riverside

Riverside
dxm55 said:
After a while, I turned back because there was no point.
Like I said. There may be interesting things out there, but the journey towards that bit, 99% is boring as heck.
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At least you tried it & now you know more about it. I felt the same way about mining (unlocking engineers). I just got on with it, learned how the mechanism works (I did it before 3.3) and know it's not an activity I am interested in. I don't knock those that like it though, we all like different things.
 

dxm55

Banned
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Riverside said:
At least you tried it & now you know more about it. I felt the same way about mining (unlocking engineers). I just got on with it, learned how the mechanism works (I did it before 3.3) and know it's not an activity I am interested in. I don't knock those that like it though, we all like different things.
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Yep. It's all J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk,J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 

tafkabb

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dxm55 said:
Yep. It's all J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk,J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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That's not exploration.
 

dxm55

Banned
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BongoBaggins said:
That's not exploration.
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Of course I didn't add in the fiddly radio dial FSS, and the whack-a-mole DSS.

But if you're talking about planetary landings. They're generally airless rock. Honestly speaking, they all look the same to me after the 10th one.
Geysers or Volcanic geologicals. The occasional crashed Thargy, Anaconda, or abandoned settlement. Also MOTS after you've seen the 10th one.

To be fair, the brain trees and other stuff might be unique. But you have to traverse hundreds of J, Honk, Scoops just to see one brain tree.


The one thing that would make things interesting would be atmospheric worlds.
The ability to land on an ELW. The ability to land on any atmo rock, with storms systems.
To face the challenge of re-entry without burning yourself up. To fight for control of your ship in severe storms.

That's when exploration will truly get exciting. But not now.
I'm waiting with bated breath.
 

Kenneth McGrew

Kenneth McGrew
im not anti FSS per say nor do i want the ADS back...

but the FSS is like a lingering fart left in an elevator when you have 46 floors to go, you tolerate it to get to your destination but by heck it stinks.
 

Riverside

Riverside
dxm55 said:
Yep. It's all J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk,J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, J, Scoop 'n Honk, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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That wasn't exploring, that was just you travelling. Motorways aren't inherently exciting either. But if you spot something interesting to you while travelling (which I guess you didn't) you discovered something, and you may decide to explore that. It's not for everyone and the lack of an ADS does make that require more conscious effort during fast travel though, driving through a tunnel, stopping to open doors to see what's around you is less interesting than driving in the open & looking around to me, but different people like different things.
 
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Sea_Kerman

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I was screaming along the Neutron Highway, and dropped into a main-sequence system to repair and refuel. I honk. Hey, there’s a water world here. Let’s scan it. Hey, turns out there’s three water worlds here, two of them in a binary orbit! This is interesting. I decide to poke around a bit, visit some sites, top up on raw mats. In the end, I gained first discovery of an interesting system, and a fun experience.
 

CMDR Slee Piboi

CMDR Slee Piboi
I know the jump-honk-scoop is not a fair representation of exploration, but that's what I felt pushed into just because I wanted DD5 for my pew pew ships.
I don't think the Palin unlock grind is a great marketing campaign for ED exploration.

I did my 160 or so jumps into the Trifid cloud, only to find the same brown rocks as everywhere else with carbon, iron, and phosphorous on them. Flew back into the bubble and intend never to leave again, unless some day I decide to go pew pew the peeps in Colonia.

ED's a video game, with shields and lasers and FTL travel and aliens in their flying saucers and instant telepresence across the galaxy. Finding something that's not a brown rock with carbon and iron and phosphorous may be unrealistic, but it would damn straight be more interesting.

I have been firmly in the explorer corner in Bartle's gamer personality map all my video gaming life. In this game I just can't get excited about exploration at all, because I know that statistical odds of finding something interesting are near zero, because realism.
 

nosleepdemon

nosleepdemon
I love the new FSS, OP's reasons for why exploration is broken is exactly why I think it is finally fixed.

1. Yes metal planets/amonia planets/ice planets look similar. What do you think gives them their looks? This isn't NMS for goodness sake.

2. FSS is finally involving to use, and isn't just a honk and jump.

3. Nebulae lighting up dark sides of planets as if they were bathed in sun light was just ridiculous.
 

Riverside

Riverside
WinterWinds said:
I have been firmly in the explorer corner in Bartle's gamer personality map all my video gaming life. In this game I just can't get excited about exploration at all, because I know that statistical odds of finding something interesting are near zero, because realism.
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I'm primarily an Achiever, and I like that I can set massive goals in this game, break them down into chunks & work towards achieving them.
Close behind Achiever I am also an Explorer though, socialiser & killer are much lower on my score.

I don't really know what demographic the FSS was aimed at.
 
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